From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/25876 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Display of inline messag/rfc822 (aka MIME forwards) Date: 11 Oct 1999 18:29:43 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035163186 16408 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:19:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01578 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAB17745; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:34:45 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12802 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jupiter.rtsq.qc.ca (rtsq.grics.qc.ca [199.84.132.81]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01547 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from ariel.progiciels-bpi.ca by jupiter.rtsq.qc.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25945; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:31:48 -0400 Original-Received: from iro.umontreal.ca (uucp@localhost) by ariel.progiciels-bpi.ca (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI) via UUCP id SAA12421; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:34:53 -0700 Original-Received: from titan.progiciels-bpi.ca.progiciels-bpi.ca by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03093; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:29:53 -0400 Original-To: Robert Bihlmeyer X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m écrit: > >>>>> On 04 Oct 1999 20:20:36 -0400 > >>>>> François Pinard said: > FP> These principles are fruitful for cases like in-lined > FP> message/rfc822. I'm including a picture of your demonstration, > FP> below. For me, it is absolutely clear that I'm looking at a > FP> quoted message. > for me, it's not. It could be a colored message body (text/enriched, > text/html). Tss, tss... You might not be playing honest, here. For that matter, whatever aspect you decide as being clear enough, one could generate some enriched text that would look exactly like it. It is extremely unlikely, besides someone making practical jokes, that I would receive a message that would just happen to look like a quoted message, in the picture you saw. > Also, denying the problem for "the usual case", which is not so usual > in my opinion (broken mailers abound), will not make it go away. Quite agreed. This is why Gnus is so tunable and adaptable. Gnus should model its usual behaviour after the most usual cases (yet within reason, of course). Tuning and customisation exist for the less usual cases. > FP> Maybe that Gnus could invent a mere `-- ' (rendered as a > FP> signature) when rendering a message/rfc822 in a MIME part, which > FP> has no recognised signature? > That could be a solution. But is it workable in most configurations? Yes, in my feelings, but this proves nothing. :-) If it sounds reasonable to most people, and to Lars as well, maybe he will adopt it? > FP> Here is the promised picture: > FWIW, I don't consider sending messages > 500 lines without asking > first good etiquette. The ding list is for discussing about news and messages, by people interested in such matters, participating in a development effort. Asking permission before sending a message, given the time a poll would take, and the discussions around it, would easily generate more volume than the message itself, not to say how inefficient and counter-productive the whole thing would be. I do not feel I exaggerated in that situation, at least in the context of the ding list. I had something to show you, and I merely used the methods Gnus gives me to do so, and the message was aimed to people using similar tools. My impression is that it is OK. And a few Kbs are not inordinate. We are far from speaking Megs, here :-). Of course, I could establish an Internet connection, move files around onto some FTP site, etc., but that's a lot of burden for a straight and simple thing. I would rather abstain than to go through that hassle. In any case, if there is a consensus I did wrong, just tell me, and I'll adjust. -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard