From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/9922 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pinard@progiciels-bpi.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Pinard) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: SOUP! Date: 13 Feb 1997 13:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.90) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035149875 21351 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:37:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Brian Gorka , ding@ifi.uio.no Return-Path: Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01445 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:30:47 -0800 Original-Received: from rtsq.grics.qc.ca (root@rtsq.grics.qc.ca [199.84.132.10]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:03:55 +0100 Original-Received: by rtsq.grics.qc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id OAA16189; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:03:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rtsq.grics.qc.ca: uicule set sender to pinard@icule.progiciels-bpi.ca using -f Original-Received: by icule.progiciels-bpi.ca (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA00969; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:02:00 -0500 Original-To: "C. R. Oldham" X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m writes: | Lars has always been extremely helpful, but I don't think he uses | nnsoup himself, and thus might not be familiar with all its quirks | (of which there are lots). Lars told me he uses nnsoup for himself, all the time. I use it fairly often myself, and surely, Lars helped me at understanding the documentation about it. Moreover, following our exchanges, I think he revised many things in the manual about nnsoup, to make it clearer. In fact, seen with a broader view, Gnus is a wonderful tool, but all newcomers around me had some difficulty at their first steps. Once you've got it working for you and understand a bit was is going on, it becomes uneasy recovering the virginity you need for more properly criticising Gnus documentation. My feeling is that Lars should improve the manual by paying special attention and understanding exactly the ways by which newcomers (to various Gnus areas -- it is a wide package to visit) are mislead, and managing so this is less likely to happen. The manual should assume less knowledge or intuition all over, and be as explicit as possible. I quite understand this is easier to ask than to achieve :-). Just sharing opinions! -- François Pinard ``Vivement GNU!'' pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Support Programming Freedom, join our League! Ask lpf@lpf.org for info!