From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46023 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Scott A Crosby Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Date: 05 Aug 2002 21:15:32 -0500 Organization: Rice University Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <20020801222925.A10502@mastaler.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028600228 1766 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2002 02:17:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17btuE-0000SN-00 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 04:17:07 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17bttB-0001gE-00; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:16:01 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:16:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21766 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 8836 invoked by alias); 6 Aug 2002 02:15:35 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 8831 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 02:15:35 -0000 Original-Received: from cs.rice.edu (128.42.1.30) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 02:15:35 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A4B4AA4E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:15:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from bert.cs.rice.edu (bert.cs.rice.edu [128.42.3.146]) by cs.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86DF4AA15; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:15:33 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by bert.cs.rice.edu (Postfix, from userid 14314) id C12D53740FC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:15:32 -0500 (CDT) Original-To: Per Abrahamsen Original-Lines: 48 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46023 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46023 On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:38:07 +0200, Per Abrahamsen writes: > But I don't consider the problem with people who will refuse to spend > a second or two to confirm their existence for significant. I lose > mail today because by filters (automatic and manual) are too > agressive, and I can't afford the time to use less agressive filters: > > - Today, I can lose mail from anybody, through no fault of theirs. > Even if it is something that it is very important to them that I > see. > > - With TMDA, I will only lose mail from people who deliberately decide > that getting their message through isn't worth two seconds of their > tine. No, you lose email from anyone who is aware that you have TMDA and doesn't want to have to deal with your autoreply messages. However, if you (purposely or inadvertently) *hide* the fact that you use TMDA. Then you're exploiting the fact that most people will respond out of a psychological need to not feel like they wasted their time. Many people will spend an extra 10 seconds to avoid having their email deleted unread (and thus wasting the results of several minutes work). I fall into the first catagory. I'll be happy as long as I can detect users of such autoreply robots.[1] Scott [1] The following score rules seem to detect some TMDA-containing emails. They will not work on a mailing list that has reply-to munging. Alter the scores to suit. (("extra" (".*[-+]\\(dated\\|exp\\|sender\\|keyword\\)[-+]" -2001 nil r "Reply-To")) ("from" ("[-+]\\(dated\\|exp\\|sender\\|keyword\\)[-+]" -2001 nil r))) These split-fancy rules attempt to detect an auto-reply. ("X-Delivery-Agent" "TMDA" "junk.tmda") ("Delivery-Agent" "TMDA" "junk.tmda") Advice for fixing/cleaning these up or enhancing these rules is welcome. I have had limited exposure to TMDA autoreplies.