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[73.170.121.60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id dz12sm32918125pac.2.2015.12.30.08.33.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Dec 2015 08:33:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:43:12 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197177 gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel:3568 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:86453 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: This would be nice!> (Excuse the crossposting.) > > Back in the olden days, there were basically two reasons for doing the > Gnus development outside of Emacs: 1) Emacs was releasing very slowly, > and Gnus very fast, and 2) XEmacs was an important target for > development. > > 1) is not true any more. And XEmacs isn't as vital as it used to be. > > And the SXEmacs peeps just started maintaining their own Gnus repo, > which means that this might be a good opportunity to discontinue the > git.gnus.org repo and just continue development on the Emacs trunk > instead. > > Emacs has developed rapidly during the last few years, and the > interfaces between Emacs, older versions of Emacs, and XEmacs are > growing more divergent. This means that basically any change we do in > Gnus fails to build on all build targets. And this, in turn, means that > any change we do in Gnus is 2x as much work as it should be, and this > leaves the code looking like an exercise in obfuscated programming. > Sometimes. :-) > > So: I want to know how all y'all would feel if I closed git.gnus.org and > started bringing the Gnus code base in the Emacs trunk up to modern > Emacs standards. That would mean removing basically all compat code. > > No more `mm-string-as-unibyte'. No more `gnus-invisible-p'. Freedom! --