From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76194 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Date header rewrite Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:42:37 +0100 Organization: not if I can help it Message-ID: References: <87pqrdltsq.fsf@gnus.org> <87r5btqrob.fsf@gnus.org> <874o8oldsa.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296546194 29288 80.91.229.12 (1 Feb 2011 07:43:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 07:43:14 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24546@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Feb 01 08:43:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkAtH-0006wp-6N for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:43:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PkAtD-000540-Gw; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:43:03 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PkAtC-00053r-Hk for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:43:02 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkAt7-0005F4-V3 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:43:02 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkAt5-0007Ol-Pc for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:42:55 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkAt4-0006rQ-Sy for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:42:54 +0100 Original-Received: from lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net ([81.56.191.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:42:54 +0100 Original-Received: from rpluim by lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:42:54 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.5-b29 (cygwin32) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vM8eupKzSghoj+5DtqKZ1LV6bCU= X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76194 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> Whether customize should create variable bindings for variables that >> don't exist is a question I'm not going to think about early on a Monday >> morning :) > > It's later now. (In some regions.) :-) > > Yeah, I had no idea that customize didn't define the variables unless > already existing. > > So... > > There are three options here that I can see: > > 1) Rip out all the -treat-date-* compat stuff and just let people deal > with the new variable. It's nice, because then you don't any > confusion. Just annoyed people. I don't mind this option. It's not like having the date header display differently from expected prevents important stuff from working. [1] > 2) Redefine all the -treat-date-* variables again, but only use the for > the defaults. This is confusing, but would probably work slightly > better for more people. > > 3) Make the new variable totally "dynamic". That is, if it isn't set > explicitly by the user, then use all the -treat-date-* variables > instead at article rendering time. This is totally confusing, but would > probably annoy the least people right now. > Please don't do this. I'm too easily confused as it is. > I'm leaning towards 1). Go for it. Robert Footnotes: [1] Famous last words, I'm sure