From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/55257 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Spam.el tutorial Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:33:59 +0100 Organization: GNU Rox ! Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87pteok281.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1071639241 21757 80.91.224.253 (17 Dec 2003 05:34:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3797@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 17 06:33:58 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWUJp-0001CY-00 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:33:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AWUJj-0001D4-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:33:51 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AWUJe-0001Cz-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:33:46 -0600 Original-Received: from smtp.gnu-rox.org (rms.gnu-rox.org [213.41.134.247]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A93D3A0044 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:33:46 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from totoz.gnu-rox.org.gnu-rox.org (totoz.gnu-rox.org [10.0.0.3]) by smtp.gnu-rox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C35F3E56D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:37:36 +0100 (CET) Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Whatever: no X-Url-GnusFr: http://www.gnusfr.org X-Url-EmacsFr: http://www.emacsfr.org X-In-No-Sense: Nonsense X-Home-Page: http://www.gnu-rox.org/~zedek/cgi-bin/wiki.pl X-Gpg-Key-ID: 1E028EA5 X-Gpg-Fingerprint: FDB0 EE1F 33E5 8C22 5E3E 96E7 6900 CA9B 1E02 8EA5 X-Gpg-Affinity: Will accept encrypted message for GNUpg X-Face: 63TbQAY?C>dKDtNNr7 (Kai Grossjohann's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:10:54 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55257 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55257 Kai Grossjohann disait r=E9cemment que : > I like the idea about a tutorial. Instead of contributing my own > setup (which tries to do the same as Reiner's but probably fails), I'd > like to suggest some scenarios. That is ok for me ;) (Note I didn't contributed by giving my own setup which is quite "funny" at that time) > * A user who wants to rely only on Emacs, with no external software, > and doesn't trust statistics. > > I guess this means blacklists and whitelists, mostly. Maybe BBDB > comes in, too. Maybe spam senders are blacklisted whereas ham > senders are whitelisted. Not sure how BBDB comes in. Maybe > somebody does it. > > * Like above but with statistics. > > So that means to use spam-stat.el. Does it make a difference > whether one uses nnimap or another backend? > > Incoming spam is put into the nnchoke:spam group. Not sure whether > it is useful to do spam training on those articles, suggest a setup. > > False negatives and false positives are sent to spam-stat.el; not > sure whether they should go through nnchoke:makespam and > nnchoke:makeham groups or not. Suggestions? > > * Like previous but use an external program for the statistics. Still > do it all through Gnus. > > * Like previous, but filter incoming mail through the external program > before Gnus sees it. (=3D=3D> spam-use-foo-headers) Good idea. I more or less was thinking of organizing the "maybe future tutorial" this way with "scenarios". I also guess there are quite a few more we can elaborate on but my guess is, only users can tell what is their own situation and how they setup things accordingly to their specific organization. > Kai zeDek --=20 In Gruuik we trust