* nnrss problem: old become new ??
@ 2004-05-30 17:42 Xavier Maillard
2004-05-30 18:24 ` Jesper Harder
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From: Xavier Maillard @ 2004-05-30 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello,
As a heavy nnrss user, I'd like to see some improvements.
Maybe it is already done and I don't use it the right way...
So let's begin.
I am always facing the same annoyance when reading RSS feeds withing
Gnus. It seems Gnus is not able to keep track of my readings and always
show me the old (read) entries as new (unread) ones ! This is quite
annoying because it forces me to enter the group to check what is new.
Is there any way I can prevent nnrss backend to act that way ? I mean
can't it try to smartly track articles just the same as other backends ?
For instance, whenever I read an article, I clearly see the 'R' mark, I
still can set the 'E' 'r' ... marks. Exiting the group and returning
into it is ok. But whenever I g-g-n (ie. 'g' in the group server), the
contents of my nnrss groups are updated with bad informations.
SOmething weird: if I tick a read message, exit the group and g-g-n,
the ticked article is not shown as new (and unread) but is still ticked.
It seems only ticked articles are ok but others aren't.
I don't know if it is doable or not but my guess is that it shouldn't
be too hard to implement this.
Once again, maybe I misuse it and in this case I would like you to help
me configure it.
Regards,
--
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* Re: nnrss problem: old become new ??
2004-05-30 17:42 nnrss problem: old become new ?? Xavier Maillard
@ 2004-05-30 18:24 ` Jesper Harder
2004-05-31 6:19 ` Xavier Maillard
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From: Jesper Harder @ 2004-05-30 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
> I am always facing the same annoyance when reading RSS feeds withing
> Gnus. It seems Gnus is not able to keep track of my readings and always
> show me the old (read) entries as new (unread) ones !
>
> Is there any way I can prevent nnrss backend to act that way ? I mean
> can't it try to smartly track articles just the same as other
> backends ?
It works for me.
I don't know what's wrong in your setup, but as start you could look
in .newsrc.eld to see if the "seen" entries for rss are right.
--
Jesper Harder <http://purl.org/harder/>
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* Re: nnrss problem: old become new ??
2004-05-30 18:24 ` Jesper Harder
@ 2004-05-31 6:19 ` Xavier Maillard
2004-05-31 17:15 ` Jesper Harder
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2004-05-31 6:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 30 May 2004, Jesper Harder wrote:
> Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
>
> > I am always facing the same annoyance when reading RSS feeds withing
> > Gnus. It seems Gnus is not able to keep track of my readings and
> > always show me the old (read) entries as new (unread) ones !
> >
> > Is there any way I can prevent nnrss backend to act that way ? I
> > mean can't it try to smartly track articles just the same as other
> > backends ?
>
> It works for me.
>
> I don't know what's wrong in your setup, but as start you could look
> in .newsrc.eld to see if the "seen" entries for rss are right.
According to this nnrss entry (see below), it seems to match the
current situation:
,----
| ("nnrss:Finding Lisp" (2 . 1) ((1 . 6) 18 (22 . 23) (25 . 29) (33 . 33))
| ((seen (1 . 33)) (cache 5) (tick 5)) (nnrss "") ((timestamp 16570
| 52286)))
`----
This is a new RSS entry I added yesterday evening. Here we can see that
entry 1 to 33 has been seen (which seems ok). The weird thing is: there
are/were only 20 (or 21 articles). So I guess, I had 12 or 13 old seen
articles fetched again during the g-g-n which is bad.
Am I wrong ?
--
Xavier Maillard, zedek@gnu-rox.org
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* Re: nnrss problem: old become new ??
2004-05-31 6:19 ` Xavier Maillard
@ 2004-05-31 17:15 ` Jesper Harder
2004-06-01 5:02 ` Xavier Maillard
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From: Jesper Harder @ 2004-05-31 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
> ,----
> | ("nnrss:Finding Lisp" (2 . 1) ((1 . 6) 18 (22 . 23) (25 . 29) (33 . 33))
> | ((seen (1 . 33)) (cache 5) (tick 5)) (nnrss "") ((timestamp 16570
> | 52286)))
> `----
>
> This is a new RSS entry I added yesterday evening. Here we can see that
> entry 1 to 33 has been seen (which seems ok). The weird thing is: there
> are/were only 20 (or 21 articles). So I guess, I had 12 or 13 old seen
> articles fetched again during the g-g-n which is bad.
Does this mean that you have multiple articles for the same RSS item?
--
Jesper Harder <http://purl.org/harder/>
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* Re: nnrss problem: old become new ??
2004-05-31 17:15 ` Jesper Harder
@ 2004-06-01 5:02 ` Xavier Maillard
2004-06-01 11:34 ` Jesper Harder
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2004-06-01 5:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 31 May 2004, Jesper Harder wrote:
> Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
>
> > ,----
> > > ("nnrss:Finding Lisp" (2 . 1) ((1 . 6) 18 (22 . 23) (25 . 29) (33
> > > . 33)) ((seen (1 . 33)) (cache 5) (tick 5)) (nnrss "") ((timestamp
> > > 16570 52286)))
> > `----
> >
> > This is a new RSS entry I added yesterday evening. Here we can see
> > that entry 1 to 33 has been seen (which seems ok). The weird thing
> > is: there are/were only 20 (or 21 articles). So I guess, I had 12 or
> > 13 old seen articles fetched again during the g-g-n which is bad.
>
> Does this mean that you have multiple articles for the same RSS item?
Not at the same time but definetely yes, when g-g-n is done, my old
read content is back in the nnrss groups.
Regards,
--
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* Re: nnrss problem: old become new ??
2004-06-01 5:02 ` Xavier Maillard
@ 2004-06-01 11:34 ` Jesper Harder
2004-06-01 21:21 ` Xavier Maillard
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From: Jesper Harder @ 2004-06-01 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
> On 31 May 2004, Jesper Harder wrote:
>
>> Does this mean that you have multiple articles for the same RSS item?
>
> Not at the same time but definetely yes, when g-g-n is done, my old
> read content is back in the nnrss groups.
Do you do agressive expiration in the RSS groups? (if the old items
are expired before the next g-g-n, then Gnus doesn't know that the
items aren't new).
Also, look at one of the *.el files ~/News/rss/ -- maybe you can
figure out what's going on by examining it at different points.
--
Jesper Harder <http://purl.org/harder/>
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* Re: nnrss problem: old become new ??
2004-06-01 11:34 ` Jesper Harder
@ 2004-06-01 21:21 ` Xavier Maillard
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Xavier Maillard @ 2004-06-01 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 1 Jun 2004, Jesper Harder wrote:
> Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
>
> > On 31 May 2004, Jesper Harder wrote:
> >
> > > Does this mean that you have multiple articles for the same RSS
> > > item?
> >
> > Not at the same time but definetely yes, when g-g-n is done, my old
> > read content is back in the nnrss groups.
>
> Do you do agressive expiration in the RSS groups? (if the old items
What do you mean ??
AFAIK, my current configuration is set like this:
1. (expiry-wait . immediate)
2. (expiry-target . delete)
My nnrss groups are not auto-expirable (explicitly set to nil) but
total-expire is on.
When I read an article, its mark is set to 'R'. I can explicitly expire
articles by hand (ie 'E' on articles). When I leave a group, it is ok.
> are expired before the next g-g-n, then Gnus doesn't know that the
> items aren't new).
How can I verify what is the current marks state for a group ?
> Also, look at one of the *.el files ~/News/rss/ -- maybe you can
> figure out what's going on by examining it at different points.
Hmm, I will try to investigate a little further...
--
In Gruuik we trust
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