From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/55961 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Steven E. Harris" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: loading gnus creates *Group* buffer Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:40:25 -0800 Organization: SEH Labs Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <8765fib1u3.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <8365fioz2m.fsf@torus.sehlabs.com> <83r7y6lzlo.fsf@torus.sehlabs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1073929284 12861 80.91.224.253 (12 Jan 2004 17:41:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M4501@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Jan 12 18:41:16 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ag63v-0002Bd-00 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:41:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1Ag63L-00068F-00; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:40:39 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1Ag63B-000687-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:40:29 -0600 Original-Received: from lax-gate2.raytheon.com (lax-gate2.raytheon.com [199.46.200.231]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4A23A0033 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:40:28 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from ds02t00.directory.ray.com (ds02t00.directory.ray.com [147.25.154.117]) by lax-gate2.raytheon.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0CHePTE021114 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:40:27 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ds02t00.directory.ray.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ds02t00.directory.ray.com (8.12.10/8.12.1) with ESMTP id i0CHeGca011492 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:40:25 GMT Original-Received: Received: from L75001820.sdo.us.ray.com ([192.27.58.82]) by ds02t00.directory.ray.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0CHeBDv011363 sender seh@panix.com for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:40:15 GMT Original-Received: from sharr by L75001820.sdo.us.ray.com with local (Exim 4.24) id HRE13H-0007D4-AL for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:40:29 -0800 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:21:42 +1000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Rational FORTRAN, cygwin32) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55961 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55961 --=-=-= Steve Youngs writes: > For reasons that I'm not sure of, when you start XEmacs like that > you won't get the package directories under $HOME/.xemacs in your > load-path. > > Try again, loading XEmacs normally. Same result. > That's Cygwin for ya. Maybe 'file' is available in some package that I don't have installed. > $ xemacs -debug-paths -kill > ~/xemacs-full-paths.out 2>&1 > > Whatever paths that XEmacs knows about on a normal start up will be in > ~/xemacs-full-paths.out. > > $ xemacs -q -debug-paths -kill > ~/xemacs-q-paths.out 2>&1 > > Will tell you the paths that XEmacs knows about when started with > '-q'. See attached below. They're both the same, and neither makes mention of anything under ~/.xemacs. > Why don't you just install Gnus to the default location? For years, I was running an XEmacs in a location that I didn't have write permission to, so I got in the habit of keeping my local packages (including Gnus CVS builds) under my home directory. I chose ~/usr/local/ as the root to feed to the Gnus 'configure' script and it came up with ~/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-packages as the root for Gnus. > Or configure Gnus to install under ~/.xemacs/site-packages ? Well, now I'd consider doing that, but I jumped in on this thread because I didn't know about these special directories under ~/.xemacs that would enable the autoload behavior. You explained how they're supposed to work, and I've been trying to convince myself (and you in the process) that these directories are not inspected with my current Cygwin XEmacs 21.4.13. It's a good idea. I just wished it worked here. --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=xemacs-q-paths.out Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4 [unknown (0xBC8)] xemacs-21.4.13 7024 fhandler_console::fixup_after= _exec: error opening input console handle after exec, errno 13, Win32 error= 5 40463 [unknown (0xBC8)] xemacs-21.4.13 7024 fhandler_console::fixup_after= _exec: error opening input console handle after exec, errno 13, Win32 error= 5 emacs-roots: ("/usr/local/") configure-package-path: nil early-packages and early-package-load-path: nil nil late-packages and late-package-load-path: ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/") ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemac= s-packages/lisp/apel/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/"= "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/bbdb/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/= xemacs-packages/lisp/c-support/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lis= p/calc/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/calendar/" "/usr/local= /lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/cc-mode/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-pa= ckages/lisp/clearcase/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/debug/"= "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/dictionary/" "/usr/local/lib/x= emacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/dired/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/l= isp/docbookide/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecb/" "/usr/lo= cal/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/edebug/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-= packages/lisp/ediff/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/edit-util= s/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/efs/" "/usr/local/lib/xemac= s/xemacs-packages/lisp/eieio/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/= elib/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/emerge/" "/usr/local/lib= /xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/eshell/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-package= s/lisp/eterm/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/eudc/" "/usr/loc= 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" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/view-process/" "/usr/local/li= b/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/viper/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-package= s/lisp/w3/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/x-symbol/" "/usr/lo= cal/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xe= macs-packages/lisp/xemacs-devel/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/li= sp/zenirc/") last-packages and last-package-load-path: nil nil lisp-directory: "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/lisp/" site-directory: "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/" Info-directory-list: ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/info/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packag= es/info/" "/usr/info" "/usr/share/info") exec-directory: /usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/i686-pc-cygwin/ exec-path: ("/usr/local/bin/" "/usr/bin/" "/bin/" "/mnt/c/PROGRA~1/RATIONAL/RATION~1/N= UTCROOT/bin/" "/mnt/c/PROGRA~1/RATIONAL/RATION~1/NUTCROOT/bin/x11/" "/mnt/c= /PROGRA~1/RATIONAL/RATION~1/NUTCROOT/mksnt/" "/mnt/c/Program Files/Compaq/C= 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("/usr/local/") configure-package-path: nil early-packages and early-package-load-path: nil nil late-packages and late-package-load-path: ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/") ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemac= s-packages/lisp/apel/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/"= "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/bbdb/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/= xemacs-packages/lisp/c-support/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lis= p/calc/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/calendar/" "/usr/local= /lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/cc-mode/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-pa= ckages/lisp/clearcase/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/debug/"= "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/dictionary/" "/usr/local/lib/x= emacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/dired/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/l= isp/docbookide/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecb/" "/usr/lo= cal/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/edebug/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-= packages/lisp/ediff/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/edit-util= s/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/efs/" "/usr/local/lib/xemac= s/xemacs-packages/lisp/eieio/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/= elib/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/emerge/" "/usr/local/lib= /xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/eshell/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-package= s/lisp/eterm/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/eudc/" "/usr/loc= al/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/footnote/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs= -packages/lisp/frame-icon/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/fsf= -compat/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/hm--html-menus/" "/us= r/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/igrep/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xema= cs-packages/lisp/ilisp/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ispell= /" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/mail-lib/" "/usr/local/lib/x= emacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/mailcrypt/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packag= es/lisp/mmm-mode/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/net-utils/" = "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/os-utils/" "/usr/local/lib/xema= cs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pc/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pc= l-cvs/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pcomplete/" "/usr/local= /lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/perl-modes/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs= -packages/lisp/prog-modes/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ps-= print/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/psgml/" "/usr/local/lib= /xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/psgml-dtds/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-pac= kages/lisp/python-modes/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/refte= x/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/rmail/" "/usr/local/lib/xem= acs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp= /scheme/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/semantic/" "/usr/loca= l/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sgml/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-pack= ages/lisp/sh-script/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sounds-wa= v/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/speedbar/" "/usr/local/lib/= xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/texinfo/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-package= s/lisp/text-modes/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/textools/" = "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/time/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/x= emacs-packages/lisp/tramp/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/vc/= " "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/view-process/" "/usr/local/li= b/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/viper/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-package= s/lisp/w3/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/x-symbol/" "/usr/lo= cal/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xe= macs-packages/lisp/xemacs-devel/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/li= sp/zenirc/") last-packages and last-package-load-path: nil nil lisp-directory: "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/lisp/" site-directory: "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/" Info-directory-list: ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/info/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packag= es/info/" "/usr/info" "/usr/share/info") exec-directory: /usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/i686-pc-cygwin/ exec-path: ("/usr/local/bin/" "/usr/bin/" "/bin/" "/mnt/c/PROGRA~1/RATIONAL/RATION~1/N= UTCROOT/bin/" "/mnt/c/PROGRA~1/RATIONAL/RATION~1/NUTCROOT/bin/x11/" "/mnt/c= /PROGRA~1/RATIONAL/RATION~1/NUTCROOT/mksnt/" "/mnt/c/Program Files/Compaq/C= ompaq Management Agents/Dmi/Win32/Bin/" "/mnt/c/WINNT/system32/" "/mnt/c/WI= NNT/" "/mnt/c/WINNT/System32/Wbem/" "/mnt/c/Program Files/Rational/common/"= "/mnt/c/Program Files/Rational/Rational Test/" "/mnt/c/Program Files/Ratio= nal/ClearCase/bin/" "/mnt/c/Program Files/Executive Software/Diskeeper/" "/= mnt/c/Program Files/SecureCRT/" "/home/sharr/usr/local/bin/" "/usr/local/bi= n/i686-pc-cygwin/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/i686-pc-cygwin/") doc-directory: "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/i686-pc-cygwin/" data-directory: "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.13/etc/" data-directory-list: ("/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs= -packages/etc/auctex/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/bbdb/" "/= usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/e/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-= packages/etc/ediff/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/frame-icon/= " "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/hm--html-menus/" "/usr/local/l= ib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/ilisp/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-package= s/etc/ps-print/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/psgml/" "/usr/l= ocal/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/psgml-dtds/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xem= acs-packages/etc/reftex/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/sounds= /" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/time/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs= /xemacs-packages/etc/w3/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/x-symb= ol/" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/zenirc/" "/usr/local/lib/xe= macs-21.4.13/etc/") --=-=-= -- Steven E. Harris --=-=-=--