Feature bleah

Feature bleah

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

As some of you may have noticed, there hasn't been anything much new
in the last couple of weeks.  The problem is that, *gasp*, I've gotten
one of those dreaded writers, uhm, programmer's blocks.  I just don't
seem to be able to write a single line of lisp without my mind
starting to drift off into strange places.

Anyways.  This might be a good opportunity to declare a feature freeze
and aim for releasing Red Gnus 5.4 Novemberish.  After that, it's a
fruity Gnus, I guess.  If I can get that inspiration back.  *sob*
*whine* 

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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: Feature bleah

[Scott Blachowicz]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:

> fruity Gnus...*whine* 

Oooo, speaking of wine...how about Grape Gnus? (or Great News or ...)? :-)?

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Re: Feature bleah

[William Perry]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

>As some of you may have noticed, there hasn't been anything much new in
>the last couple of weeks.  The problem is that, *gasp*, I've gotten one of
>those dreaded writers, uhm, programmer's blocks.  I just don't seem to be
>able to write a single line of lisp without my mind starting to drift off
>into strange places.
>
>Anyways.  This might be a good opportunity to declare a feature freeze and
>aim for releasing Red Gnus 5.4 Novemberish.  After that, it's a fruity
>Gnus, I guess.  If I can get that inspiration back.  *sob* *whine*

  you just need some very large end-users to pay you a visit and remind you
how much you just _LOVE_ to lose sleep over adding features.  :)  Sort of
like the roaming 'I Love Microsoft' squad roaming the eastside of seattle
on alternating tuesdays.

-Bill P.

Re: Feature bleah

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> Anyways.  This might be a good opportunity to declare a feature
Lars> freeze and aim for releasing Red Gnus 5.4 Novemberish.  After
Lars> that, it's a fruity Gnus, I guess.  If I can get that
Lars> inspiration back.  *sob* *whine*

Shoot.  I'd like to see Gnus able to talk SMTP directly, so that it
does not need to fork a local sendmail.  After all if Netscape can do
it, Gnus should be doing it better.

I don't think this is much code to write.  Any possibility for this
feature in Red Gnus?
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Re: Feature bleah

[Mark Eichin]

> I don't think this is much code to write.  Any possibility for this

In fact, I've got a smtpsend.el that Bill Sommerfeld wrote, if you
want to start from that I'll ask his permission to forward it (or you
can find others I'm sure...)

Re: Feature bleah

[William Perry]

Steven L. Baur writes:
>>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>Lars> Anyways.  This might be a good opportunity to declare a feature
>Lars> freeze and aim for releasing Red Gnus 5.4 Novemberish.  After
>Lars> that, it's a fruity Gnus, I guess.  If I can get that
>Lars> inspiration back.  *sob* *whine*
>
>Shoot.  I'd like to see Gnus able to talk SMTP directly, so that it
>does not need to fork a local sendmail.  After all if Netscape can do
>it, Gnus should be doing it better.
>
>I don't think this is much code to write.  Any possibility for this
>feature in Red Gnus?

  This is in Emacs 19.34 - I use it all the time at work, since I am behind
a SOCKS firewall, and sendmail doesn't grok it.  Check this out:

(setq
 send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
 smtpmail-default-smtp-server "newman"
 smtpmail-local-domain "aventail.com")

(require 'smtpmail)

Voila! Works great for me (using the elisp SOCKS client I wrote a while
back :)  This is definitely something we need to synch up with Emacs 19.34
for the 19.15 release of XEmacs.

-Bill P.

Re: Feature bleah

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com> wrote:
| 
| Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
| 
| > fruity Gnus...*whine* 
| 
| Oooo, speaking of wine...how about Grape Gnus? (or Great News or ...)? :-)?

Great News sounds great for the name of a release I think, sort of
maybe a FAQ (what does Gnus stand for, Great News :-)! 

	/Andy

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Re: Feature bleah

[Wesley.Hardaker]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> As some of you may have noticed, there hasn't been anything much new
> in the last couple of weeks.  The problem is that, *gasp*, I've gotten
> one of those dreaded writers, uhm, programmer's blocks.  I just don't
> seem to be able to write a single line of lisp without my mind
> starting to drift off into strange places.

Happens to all of us.  Thats usually when I switch projects and
abandon the one I'm working on till it bugs to no end to return to it
because it doesn't do something I want.  I don't suggest this sort of
behaviour, of course...

Anyway, as long as people are suggesting new features for the TODO
list (unrelated to the topic really), I thought I'd throw in my two
cents:

  - It would be nice to be able to quickly reduce a subject or author
    permanently in a global score file.  The problem with the 'I' and
    'L' concepts is that they are local to a particular newsgroup.
    When I run across the 'cash fast now' type posts I want to bomb
    the guy from hell in my score files but in all my groups.  A quick
    'L S' or 'L A' doesn't work, as it only blocks the current group.
    It would be cool if it was possible to redirect the score to a
    (the) global score file instead?  It would probably require an
    extra question at the end of the regular 4 key sequence (last
    being temp/perm) for something like 'local/global' etc...

Maybe this is already possible and I'm an idiot?  Certainly wouldn't
be the first time...

Wes

Re: Feature bleah

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "William" == William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:
 [smtpmail.el]

William>   This is in Emacs 19.34 - I use it all the time at work,
William> since I am behind a SOCKS firewall, and sendmail doesn't grok
William> it.  Check this out:

William> ...  This is definitely something we need to synch up with
William> Emacs 19.34 for the 19.15 release of XEmacs.

I see it.  [Checking against XEmacs beta ...]  It requires
mailalias.el, and a new function from sendmail.el.  I'll post working
versions to somewhere appropriate when I get them.

Cool.
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Re: Feature bleah

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:

>   - It would be nice to be able to quickly reduce a subject or author
>     permanently in a global score file.  The problem with the 'I' and
>     'L' concepts is that they are local to a particular newsgroup.
>     When I run across the 'cash fast now' type posts I want to bomb
>     the guy from hell in my score files but in all my groups.  A quick
>     'L S' or 'L A' doesn't work, as it only blocks the current group.
>     It would be cool if it was possible to redirect the score to a
>     (the) global score file instead?  It would probably require an
>     extra question at the end of the regular 4 key sequence (last
>     being temp/perm) for something like 'local/global' etc...

You can change the score file with `V c' before entering scores.  You
can also use the new home score file thingie to get more control over
where new score entries are to go...

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Re: Feature bleah

[Mark Eichin]

for a good mnemonic, how about using $ as a prefix -- it would be the
same as L but global, so 
1000 $ a f p user@site
and then
500 $ a f p @site

would be pretty convenient.  (THe problem with V c is that if I see
lists, I'm debugging, not using the UI :-)

Re: Feature bleah

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:

> for a good mnemonic, how about using $ as a prefix -- it would be the
> same as L but global, so 
> 1000 $ a f p user@site
> and then
> 500 $ a f p @site

But what is the "global" score file?  It can be any number of things,
although most people use "all.SCORE".  (Well, "global" in the
non-Gnusey sense.)

> would be pretty convenient.  (THe problem with V c is that if I see
> lists, I'm debugging, not using the UI :-)

`V c' just prompts for a new current score file.

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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Global score file ?Donde?

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:

> But what is the "global" score file?  It can be any number of
> things, although most people use "all.SCORE".

For me it's always been ~/News/SCORE, but I've *no* idea why (it's not
set to that anywhere in my ~/.emacs or in the site-start.el file).

Re: Feature bleah

[Wesley.Hardaker]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> But what is the "global" score file?  It can be any number of things,
> although most people use "all.SCORE".  (Well, "global" in the
> non-Gnusey sense.)

Well, all.SCORE would of course be fine...  The point is to make it
easy I think.  I'll probably go write a routine to do the equivelent
of a 'V c', then run through the 'L' stuff, and then finally a 'V c'
back to the original again and maybe even bind it to '$'...

Wes