From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/60791 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Chen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Maildir interoperability Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:49:09 -0700 Message-ID: Reply-To: quarl+dated+1124840118.8e39fc@nospam.quarl.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1124428995 5303 80.91.229.2 (19 Aug 2005 05:23:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M9323=ding+2Daccount=gmane.org@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Aug 19 07:23:06 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E5zLM-0004bC-GQ for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:23:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1E5uBc-0003eo-03 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:52:40 -0500 Original-Received: from util1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.22]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1E5uBX-0003eg-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:52:35 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by util1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1E5uBS-0005ly-9F for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:52:30 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1E5tER-00075v-00 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:51:31 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1E5u9G-0008KW-Pi for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:50:14 +0200 Original-Received: from roar.cs.berkeley.edu ([128.32.35.215]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:50:14 +0200 Original-Received: from quarl by roar.cs.berkeley.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:50:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: roar.cs.berkeley.edu X-Quack-Archive: 1 Gmane-From: 1 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QTd04iCmXKP+nwvMNe9gTl1Es0w= X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin (2.61 1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) analysis follows 1.7 BAYES_80 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 80 to 90% [score: 0.8789] Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60791 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60791 In my opinion: nnmaildir is outrageous for using non-standard marks that are non-interoperable with all other MUAs. The original Maildir specification defined how marks should be used. Nnmaildir uses a funky hard-link system (which also doesn't work on many file systems/OSes). Synchronization scripts are a very poor workaround. In Googling this subject, I came across many rants, e.g. http://bignachos.com/?page_id=5 The solution I've found to be satisfactory for now is to go through a local IMAP server. This works, but it took a lot more effort than the average user will devote, and is suboptimal. Does anybody else here feel Gnus needs to support real Maildir? Also, it would be very nice to be interoperable with IMAP, so Gnus should also use the Maildir extension for subgroups that IMAP uses (Maildir/.groupname). It could be a separate back-end, or Gnus could automatically convert old-style marks. -- Karl 2005-08-18 16:35