From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/32306 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Rohland Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: nnimap/nnagent troubles Date: 03 Sep 2000 13:34:53 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035168598 18972 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 02:49:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698B0D051E for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAC04145; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:00:07 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:59:14 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12255 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:59:03 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from smtpde02.sap-ag.de (smtpde02.sap-ag.de [194.39.131.53]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A56D051E for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sap-ag.de ([194.39.131.3]) by smtpde02.sap-ag.de (out) with ESMTP id PAA09592 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:55:13 +0200 (MESZ) Original-Received: from localhost.wdf.sap-ag.de (ct3033.wdf.sap-ag.de [147.204.29.33]) by sap-ag.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13599 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:59:25 +0200 (MET DST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Bryce Canyon) Original-Lines: 46 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:32306 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:32306 Hi folks, after fiddling one whole day with my gnus setup on my laptop I have to get some words out. Gnus should definitely give more output on error conditions! If the network connection fails, there is no way (known to me) to get the actual error (like "connection to : via {tcp|openssl} failed with error , ". So if something goes wrong the user is lost in the dark. Now to the more specific errors all on : Gnus v5.8.7 XEmacs 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" [Lucid] (i386-redhat-linux, Mule) 1) agent: a) why does the agent store all the server parameters in agent/lib/servers? So any change to server parameters invalidates the agent setup. The server name should be sufficient. 2) .newsrc.eld: I tried to use ssl as connection type, but somehow my laptop did not use it despite the fact that I did set the parameter in gnus-secondary-select-methods. a) I discovered, that gnus had stored the nnimap-address as group parameters in all groups. Apparently preventing the use of the server setup (agent still used the server settings) b) After removing these Group parameters things became more wierd: Doing 'g' did lead to denied nnimap server, but doing 'J Y' did open a connection!?! (Took me some time to realize what happened. It looked first like random failures) c) I compared my .newsrc.eld with a working one and realized that the broken one had stored (nnimap "") instead of "nnimap:" in .newsrc.eld for every group. After replacing these everything works now again (and with ssl). To find all this took me lots of dialups and shuffling of configurations. Unfortunately this was not the first time I had to dig deep into the internals of gnus. If something failes it is _very_ hard to find the cause. That's the reason why I cannot recommend it to other users. There are not a lot people who are willing to spend so much time on their mail setup. But still: As long as it works it is the best mailreader I know! Greetings Christoph