picons questions

picons questions

[Colin Rafferty]

With all the complaints about picons not working, I decided to see
what all the fuss was, and give them a try.

I downloaded the picons from indiana.edu, set the hooks, and
everything is cool

Now I have a couple of questions which should be simple.

I'm running XEmacs 21.0, PGnus 0.62.

1. My default background is black.  Unfortunately, most picons have
   tranparent backgrounds and text in black.  This makes the text
   unreadable, and I can't tell European flags apart without the text. :-)

   What can I do to set the picons' backgrounds to be something
   different?

2. In info (Various->XEmacs Enhancements->Picons->Easy Picons), it
   mentions adding `gnus-picons-article-display-x-face' to
   `gnus-article-display-hook'.  I have `gnus-article-display-x-face'
   on there already, and I display my picons in the article buffer.

   Should I change to picons' method?  It seems like the only
   difference is that I the X-Face in `gnus-header-name-face' instead
   of `gnus-x-face'.

Thanks for any answers.

-- 
Colin

Re: picons questions

[Didier Verna]

Colin Rafferty writes:

Colin> 2. In info (Various->XEmacs Enhancements->Picons->Easy Picons), it
Colin> mentions adding `gnus-picons-article-display-x-face' to
Colin> `gnus-article-display-hook'. I have `gnus-article-display-x-face' on
Colin> there already, and I display my picons in the article buffer.

Colin> Should I change to picons' method? It seems like the only difference is
Colin> that I the X-Face in `gnus-header-name-face' instead of `gnus-x-face'.

	Not necessarily, I think. Picons are displayed according to your From: 
header. Faces are displayed if you have a X-Face: header in your message.
Personnaly, I display both faces and picons in the articles (I like to have
people's faces twice ;-).

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Re: picons questions

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes:

> 1. My default background is black.

So is mine...

>    Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text
>    in black.  This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell
>    European flags apart without the text. :-)

Hm...  I haven't seen this, really -- but perhaps I just haven't
noticed it.  Could you give an example of a From line that displays
this? 

> 2. In info (Various->XEmacs Enhancements->Picons->Easy Picons), it
>    mentions adding `gnus-picons-article-display-x-face' to
>    `gnus-article-display-hook'.  I have `gnus-article-display-x-face'
>    on there already, and I display my picons in the article buffer.
> 
>    Should I change to picons' method?

That's not necessary.

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Re: picons questions

[Colin Rafferty]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
> Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes:

>> 1. My default background is black.

> So is mine...

>> Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text
>> in black.  This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell
>> European flags apart without the text. :-)

> Hm...  I haven't seen this, really -- but perhaps I just haven't
> noticed it.  Could you give an example of a From line that displays
> this? 

Here is an example: `From: Lars Balker Rasmussen <lbr@image.dk>'.

Here is what I see when I bring it up normally:


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What you don't realize is that there is a "Denmark" in the title.

When I select the region (I have zmacs-regions t), I can see the whole 
picon:


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See the problem?

[ By the way, I really like mm.el. ]

-- 
Colin

Re: picons questions

[Colin Rafferty]

I'm sorry, mm.el did not wrap my files.  I need to upgrade, I guess.

Colin Rafferty writes:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
>> Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes:

>>> 1. My default background is black.

>> So is mine...

>>> Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text
>>> in black.  This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell
>>> European flags apart without the text. :-)

>> Hm...  I haven't seen this, really -- but perhaps I just haven't
>> noticed it.  Could you give an example of a From line that displays
>> this? 

> Here is an example: `From: Lars Balker Rasmussen <lbr@image.dk>'.

> Here is what I see when I bring it up normally:

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> What you don't realize is that there is a "Denmark" in the title.

> When I select the region (I have zmacs-regions t), I can see the whole 
> picon:

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> See the problem?

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Colin

Re: picons questions

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes:

> > See the problem?

Ah; yes -- I didn't even know that there was text above the flags.
:-)

Er...  Well, what should one do about this?  How is the picons code
supposed to transmogrify (some) of the colors in the picons?  Anyone
got any ideas?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: picons questions

[Colin Rafferty]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

> Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes:
>> > See the problem?

> Ah; yes -- I didn't even know that there was text above the flags.
> :-)

> Er...  Well, what should one do about this?  How is the picons code
> supposed to transmogrify (some) of the colors in the picons?  Anyone
> got any ideas?

I guess you are looking at the long-term, hard solution.  My
short-term solution is based on my expectations of the people who
create transparent icons.

I assume that the people who create transparent icons are the same
morons that set the foreground color of an HTML document, but not the
background color.  All these people seem to assume that everyone is
using a light background.

All that I would need to be happy is to be able to set the background
of the picon.  So if you could give me a `gnus-picon-face' to
customize, I would be more than grateful.

-- 
Colin

Re: picons questions

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes:

> All that I would need to be happy is to be able to set the background
> of the picon.  So if you could give me a `gnus-picon-face' to
> customize, I would be more than grateful.

Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: picons questions

[Matt Simmons]

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>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

    Colin> All that I would need to be happy is to be able to set the background
    Colin> of the picon.  So if you could give me a `gnus-picon-face' to
    Colin> customize, I would be more than grateful.

    Lars> Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69.

Whee!!


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