From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/52290 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lloyd Zusman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: The early gnus shars Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:06:03 -0400 Organization: FreeBSD/Linux Hippopotamus Preserve Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <65orpvqy.fsf@asfast.com> <84n0i2etnm.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <86bryiecs4.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <867k96ecch.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <65oq8l2f.fsf_-_@asfast.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052100435 25011 80.91.224.249 (5 May 2003 02:07:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 02:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M833@lists.math.uh.edu Mon May 05 04:07:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19CVLh-0006Pu-00 for ; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:05:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19CVMo-000427-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:06:10 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19CVMk-000422-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:06:06 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 82309 invoked by alias); 5 May 2003 02:06:05 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 82304 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 02:06:05 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO asfast.net) (1884td@216.182.10.250) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 02:06:05 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 0) by asfast.net with local; Sun, 04 May 2003 22:06:03 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "!ga1s|?LNLE3MeeeEYs(%LIl9q[xV9!j4#xf4!**BFW_ihlOb;:Slb>)vy>CJM (Karl Kleinpaste's message of "Sun, 04 May 2003 19:09:45 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52290 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52290 Karl Kleinpaste writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> I wonder how much work it would be to get Gnus 2.0 up and running on >> modern Emacsen -- just to see what it looks like in action. > > [ ... ] > > Possibly the best part about it, in a backhandedly humorous mode: > > It auto-subscribes every possible newsgroup. Forgive Masanobu Umeda > for his shortsightedness in this regard: At the time of GNUS 2.x, B > News 2.11.17 was the current server software, which still used a > maximum group count in defs.h of 512. My usual server today has > (only) 12,000 groups. It took XEmacs 21.4, running this old GNUS, 58 > seconds just to do the start-up auto-subscriptions, followed by > another 54 seconds of "checking new news" before it displayed the > *Newsgroup* (today's *Group*) buffer, on this AMD 1.2GHz Linux > machine. > > Awesome. > > --karl So tahat's around 2 minutes startup time for 12,000 groups. If we went with the B News maximum of 512, that's a factor of 24, or only 5 seconds for startup. That doesn't seem bad, until you remember how slow the machines were back then. I wonder if we'll ever find a 1.x or even 0.x version of gnus to play with. So far, I haven't gotten a reply from Masanobu ... if he does get back to me, I'm going to ask him if he knows of any earlier versions. -- Lloyd Zusman ljz@asfast.com