From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/48713 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Frank Schmitt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus 5.10? Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 17:01:18 +0100 Organization: Hamme net, kren mer och nimmi Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <848yy2azri.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Reply-To: replies@Frank-Schmitt.net NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1041696205 12532 80.91.224.249 (4 Jan 2003 16:03:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Uqld-0003Fg-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 17:03:21 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18Uqlc-0001OV-00; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 10:03:20 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 04 Jan 2003 10:04:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01600 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 10:03:59 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 17418 invoked by alias); 4 Jan 2003 16:02:59 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 17413 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 16:02:59 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (80.91.224.244) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 16:02:59 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby.gnus.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18UqnU-0007Af-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 17:05:16 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 60 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pppin46.max-hochsimmer.rz-online.net Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1041696316 27566 212.7.169.46 (4 Jan 2003 16:05:16 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2003 16:05:16 GMT X-Face: :EL9TzGRN){7|oE2~xQ8Q(VjpjsXgX$~gi&rYD5J5p)$w\Thdl~v:7h`/n)J!8nXT%_+Wj6}@EHM8}QbA(9nX-wrQ:ch1%DauV[?kFasXUcnL#+"K8zOx&$@/M'/},q-eztaJra1|?C+p$h\2XnK-HB"8_U What do people think about releasing 5.10? It's been a while since > 5.8... (And before Lars gets back to his life again :-) There should definitely be a 5.10 NOW. Have a look at the FAQ I just wrote and see at how many places there's a "If you use Oort do X, if you use 5.8.8, you lose" and I didn't even mention everywhere the easier or better solution for Oort. An other point: For me it becomes more difficult from day to day to help Newbies because you always have to look "is this new in Oort" and if it is invent the wheel a second time. If there is stuff which people want to include but which isn't written yet, put it in 5.10.1 or release a 5.10 now and a 6.0 in summer when the now existing features are tested and the new ones are written, but hell please, please sugar please release now and not in six month as I'm sure that this six month will become 12 in the end. Finally I don't really see why not to release no, it's just a say 3 week feature freeze where people look in the dark places if stuff still works, everything is documented and a posting to gnu.emacs.gnus if everything is done. So, make me a pleasure for sitting two weeks over the new FAQ and give me the possibility to delete |This version is very stable and should be the choice for all |beginners. However 5.8.8 is quite old, so many people today use the BETA |version from CVS called Oort Gnus, which contains a huge amount of new |features. and replace it with |\\(5.10\\|6.0\\) is released! Get the best Gnus of all times, including |tons of new exciting and wonderful features which make all other MUAs |and NUAs look like childrens toys. And if I didn't convince you yet: Delete your Oort and work with 5.10 for the next two weeks and think about if it's really nice to let the normal user miss the features you are then probably missing: -Anti Spam functionality -Reworked Agent -New possibilities for Gnus summary line especially thread trees -New possibilities for rendering HTML mails -Easy inclusion of X-Faces -/N and /O in summary buffer -Integration of groups.google.com -New article washing functions especially Outlook deuglify -A working interface to pgp -Better handling of ISO-8859-x to name the ones I couldn't live anymore without. -- One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.