How to make pop3-movemail work?

How to make pop3-movemail work?

[John Twilley]

Iwanna use APOP.  I don't mind using alpha code, but there's no hints or
docs or anything on the mailing lists that I can see.  Looks like
someone wrote the function, but nobody's even mentioned actually using
it.

Please free me from using Netscape and Eudora.
Jack.

Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "JT" == John Twilley <jmt@nda.com> writes:

JT> Iwanna use APOP.  I don't mind using alpha code, but there's no
JT> hints or docs or anything on the mailing lists that I can see.
JT> Looks like someone wrote the function, but nobody's even mentioned
JT> actually using it.

- From the user's end of things, APOP authentication works *exactly* like
"standard" authentication.  The differences are all on the server.  The
server has to support APOP; if it does, all you need to do is change the
authentication scheme.

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Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[John Twilley]

Rich Pieri wrote:
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> >>>>> "JT" == John Twilley <jmt@nda.com> writes:
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> JT> Iwanna use APOP.  I don't mind using alpha code, but there's no
> JT> hints or docs or anything on the mailing lists that I can see.
> JT> Looks like someone wrote the function, but nobody's even mentioned
> JT> actually using it.
> 
> - From the user's end of things, APOP authentication works *exactly* like
> "standard" authentication.  The differences are all on the server.  The
> server has to support APOP; if it does, all you need to do is change the
> authentication scheme.
> 

I know.  I searched through the code and found pop3-movemail, which is
supposed to do the apop thing, provided that the authentication scheme
is properly set.  But nothing calls pop3-movemail, and it's not quite
the right format for nnmail-movemail-program (which can take a function
with two arguments -- pop3-movemail takes only one) and I can't figure
out the setq command to set a variable equal to a function anyway.

I'm not a moron.  I'm in the way beginning of learning Emacs Lisp,
though, and delving into alpha code for something as large and imposing
as Red Gnus is a bit exciting.

Jack.

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Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "JT" == John Twilley <jmt@nda.com> writes:

JT> But nothing calls pop3-movemail, and it's not quite the right format
JT> for nnmail-movemail-program (which can take a function with two
JT> arguments -- pop3-movemail takes only one)

When I wrote pop3-movemail, it was intended to replace the call-process
that invokes nnmail-movemail-program... and nnmail-movemail-program
could go away because it is not needed anymore.  I have not been keeping
up with Red's development, so I have not seen a "new" version of
nnmail.el in quite a while.  I should probably see to that before Red
goes out the door, eh?

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Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Ken Raeburn]

Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@prescienttech.com> writes:

> When I wrote pop3-movemail, it was intended to replace the call-process
> that invokes nnmail-movemail-program... and nnmail-movemail-program
> could go away because it is not needed anymore.

It'll still be needed for those of us using Kerberos-authenticated POP
service.  Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to use the
Kerberos code in a subprocess that doesn't have access to the network
file descriptor being used to talk to the POP server.  (I looked into
this after seeing the pop3 code included.)

Ken

Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "KR" == Ken Raeburn <raeburn@cygnus.com> writes:

KR> It'll still be needed for those of us using Kerberos-authenticated POP
KR> service.

True enough... I had forgotten about KPOP, mostly because I never
intended to implement Kerberos in Emacs-Lisp.

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Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[William M. Perry]

Rich Pieri writes:
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>>>>>> "KR" == Ken Raeburn <raeburn@cygnus.com> writes:
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>KR> It'll still be needed for those of us using Kerberos-authenticated POP
>KR> service.
>
>True enough... I had forgotten about KPOP, mostly because I never
>intended to implement Kerberos in Emacs-Lisp.

  Never say never. :)  Once the shared library support in XEmacs is firmer,
you should be able to do kerberos if you are insane enough to want to.

  Bwa hahahaha.

-Bill P.

Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Mark Eichin]

>  Never say never. :)  Once the shared library support in XEmacs is firmer,
>you should be able to do kerberos if you are insane enough to want to.

nah, that's the *clean* way to do it.

insane is:
	(deskey samp-ks samp-key 'encrypt)
	(des samp-ks samp-data)
	(block-to-string samp-data) => "8ca64de9c1b123a7"

It shows that the lack of 32 bit ints makes emacs about between 10 and
100 times slower than perl for this sort of thing.  (With perl that
means about 1mips-second to generate a krb4 authenticator.)

Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Rich Pieri]

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>>>>> "WMP" == William M Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:

WMP> Never say never. :) Once the shared library support in XEmacs is
WMP> firmer, you should be able to do kerberos if you are insane enough
WMP> to want to.

As I said:
>> I had forgotten about KPOP, mostly because I never intended to
>> implement Kerberos in Emacs-Lisp.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^
Important point, that.  MD5 is a "simple" transformation that, while
ugly, is still doable in Emacs-Lisp.  Kerberos authentication is a
completely different beast.

Besides, my primary development platform is a Windows95 box, for which
there is no XEmacs.  Why there?  Because if I can get it to work there I
can get it to work *anywhere*.

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Re: How to make pop3-movemail work?

[Paul Franklin]

>>>>> Rich Pieri writes:


 > When I wrote pop3-movemail, it was intended to replace the call-process
 > that invokes nnmail-movemail-program... and nnmail-movemail-program
 > could go away because it is not needed anymore.

I'm fairly sure it should still be used to correctly lock a local mail
spool while grabbing mail from it.

--Paul