From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46027 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:27:48 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028629741 26758 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2002 10:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17c1aG-0006xS-00 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:29:00 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17c1Zy-0002bQ-00; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 05:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Aug 2002 05:29:09 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA22577 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 3634 invoked by alias); 6 Aug 2002 10:28:17 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 3629 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 10:28:16 -0000 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (130.225.40.227) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 10:28:16 -0000 Original-Received: from zuse.dina.kvl.dk (zuse.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.245]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22592 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:27:50 +0200 Original-Received: (from abraham@localhost) by zuse.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id MAA16164; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:27:49 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: zuse.dina.kvl.dk: abraham set sender to abraham@dina.kvl.dk using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:41:07 +0200") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46027 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46027 Simon Josefsson writes: > Yes, and many times when I start to communicate with someone is that I > post to a mailing list or UseNet group and some other person (unknown > to me beforehand) replies to me personally. This was quite common on Usenet 10 years ago, but has become increasingly rare with the rise of Spam. In fact, an increasing number of new (post-August) users consider all private replies to Usenet messages abuse. I hope widespread use of TMDA-like whitelists will counter that saddening trend, so that you once again will be able to contact strangers you have meet on the net, without getting your message treated like spam. Today email is for most part a secret id only shared by a select group of friends, quickly discared when it leaks out of that circle. A single extra message the first time you send mail to a new person seem to be a small price for restoring email to the universal and open medium it once was. And I have no sympathy for those who claim that they can handle having an open email adress without relying whitelists, and from that conclude that everybody else must be able to handle the same. People have different amounts of time and different amount of skill for automatic and manual filtering. Without whitelist filtering, keeping the email handle secret is, tradically, really the best option for the majority of people.