From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57212 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mx.gnus.org being very strict Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:48:01 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87ad0p4p57.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <20040503192543.GB21891@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083660534 25937 80.91.224.253 (4 May 2004 08:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5752@lists.math.uh.edu Tue May 04 10:48:46 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKvbZ-00056D-00 for ; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:48:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BKvb6-0002AC-00; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:48:16 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BKvax-0002A4-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:48:07 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKvav-0008Mz-Np for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:48:05 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580A43A0052 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:48:04 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKvat-0003Oe-00 for ; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:48:03 +0200 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([130.225.40.227]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:48:03 +0200 Original-Received: from abraham by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:48:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sheridan.dina.kvl.dk X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:b1vnKvaIDnoqWoJVF8lBxcbEA2I= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57212 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57212 Matthias Andree writes: > Miles Bader writes: > >> If you are a gateway, you should probably just be as transparent as you >> can... > > Garbage in - Garbage out principle? Yes. Gateways should just pass bytes along, not try to be smart about it. > No thanks, we've had enough of that. We haven't had nearly enough of that. All the fucking mess we went through until we reached the current fragile and complex state of sometimes-working i18n in mail, is due to the utter incompetence of the mail standard guys, who thought that instead of simplifying thousands of mail servers running a dozen different code bases to be transparent, we should put highly complex workarounds in millions clients from hundreds of different code bases. This being the polite interpretation. Ask Dan Bernstein for the unsweetened version.