From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46026 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:10:34 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <20020801222925.A10502@mastaler.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028628851 24967 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2002 10:14:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17c1Lt-0006Ua-00 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:14:10 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17c1JI-0002Tw-00; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 05:11:28 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Aug 2002 05:11:55 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA22545 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:11:37 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 3352 invoked by alias); 6 Aug 2002 10:11:04 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 3347 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 10:11:04 -0000 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (130.225.40.227) by gnus.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 10:11:04 -0000 Original-Received: from zuse.dina.kvl.dk (zuse.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.245]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22496 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:10:36 +0200 Original-Received: (from abraham@localhost) by zuse.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id MAA15651; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:10:34 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: zuse.dina.kvl.dk: abraham set sender to abraham@dina.kvl.dk using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: (Scott A Crosby's message of "05 Aug 2002 21:15:32 -0500") Original-Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46026 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46026 Scott A Crosby writes: > However, if you (purposely or inadvertently) *hide* the fact that you > use TMDA. Then you're exploiting the fact that most people will > respond out of a psychological need to not feel like they wasted their > time. Many people will spend an extra 10 seconds to avoid having their > email deleted unread (and thus wasting the results of several minutes > work). It is still *their* choice. I have no obligation to read any email send to me. By not using TMDA, I make it *my* choice, by accidentially junking their messages. By using TMDA, it become *their* choice. I do not care for what *their* reasons will be for making *their* choice. I no, I have no intension of munging my headers or signature in order to accomodate the people who believe that their message is worth several minuttes of their time to write, but not an additional 10 seconds to ensure it is read. These people have a problem I refuse to make mine, or force on third parties by munging headers. This is similar to the current situation, where I do not publish my blacklist rules, so people who write me will not know whether they will be filtered. > These split-fancy rules attempt to detect an auto-reply. > ("X-Delivery-Agent" "TMDA" "junk.tmda") > ("Delivery-Agent" "TMDA" "junk.tmda") This is reasonable. This just put you in the same position like someone from Taiwan who would write me today. He would not be read, because of my filters. The difference is that you choose not to be read deliberately, while the Taiwanese hardly had a choice of where to be born.