From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/28367 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: de .* and gnus-group-posting-charset-alist Date: 21 Dec 1999 21:47:17 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87ogbwjtpw.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035165228 29504 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:53:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A399D0522 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:50:24 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAB14880; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:49:36 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:49:14 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14134 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:49:02 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (sheridan.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.227]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F92AD051E for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:47:20 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from zuse.dina.kvl.dk (zuse.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.245]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id VAA25920 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:47:48 +0100 Original-Received: (from abraham@localhost) by zuse.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA18410; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:47:18 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: zuse.dina.kvl.dk: abraham set sender to abraham@dina.kvl.dk using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "21 Dec 1999 21:06:28 +0100" Original-Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.4 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:28367 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:28367 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: > Germans require standards compliance in all cases. The fun part is that there isn't any standard RFC 1036 has expired, and USEFOR does not even (officially) has an draft yet.=20=20 MIME is a mail standard, the only thing giving it meaning on news is the USEFOR working paper. However, the USEFOR wp _does_ allow 8-bit headers, however not in Latin 1, only in UTF-8. But try sending 8-bit UTF-8 headers, I suspect the people demanding QP will complain even more. In reality, Usenet has for many years lived on a set of unwritten conventions, drawing from bit and parts of many standards, but mostly just common usage. To be fair, moving towards QP in headers is the right thing to do, it will allow us to phase the hierarchy specific 8-bit interpretation out and (much later) UTF-8 in.