From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46009 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:38:07 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <20020801222925.A10502@mastaler.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028569160 20441 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2002 17:39:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17blp8-0005JX-00 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:39:18 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17bloq-0007EI-00; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:39:00 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:39:27 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20903 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:39:09 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 15202 invoked by alias); 5 Aug 2002 17:38:36 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 15197 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 17:38:36 -0000 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (130.225.40.227) by gnus.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 17:38:36 -0000 Original-Received: from zuse.dina.kvl.dk (zuse.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.245]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17211 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:38:09 +0200 Original-Received: (from abraham@localhost) by zuse.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id TAA11749; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:38:08 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: zuse.dina.kvl.dk: abraham set sender to abraham@dina.kvl.dk using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: (prj@po.cwru.edu's message of "Fri, 02 Aug 2002 12:17:52 -0400") Original-Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46009 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46009 prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > If a reliable autoconfirmer were written, would you consider it a > waste of time to set it up for your mailbox? If a reliable autoconfirmer were written, some spammers would start using it. We need some amount manual intervention for the system to scale. But I don't consider the problem with people who will refuse to spend a second or two to confirm their existence for significant. I lose mail today because by filters (automatic and manual) are too agressive, and I can't afford the time to use less agressive filters: - Today, I can lose mail from anybody, through no fault of theirs. Even if it is something that it is very important to them that I see. - With TMDA, I will only lose mail from people who deliberately decide that getting their message through isn't worth two seconds of their tine. It seem much more fair to lose mail from the later category than the former. The problem that does frighten me is whether non-technical people will understand the request for a confirmation message.