From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23480 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: some mail annoyances Date: 23 Jun 1999 09:42:49 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161204 2201 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:46:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01046 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAB13158; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:43:12 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:44:02 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22456 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:43:52 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (sheridan.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.227]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01037 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from my.dina.kvl.dk (my.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.137]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id JAA21713 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:43:03 +0200 Original-Received: by my.dina.kvl.dk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA23106; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:42:50 +0200 Original-To: Ding X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: Dmitry Yaitskov's message of "22 Jun 1999 20:48:57 -0400" Original-Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23480 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23480 Dmitry Yaitskov writes: > I for example want a something that reads both mail and news, does it > well, and is more or less intuitive for both. I do not spend all that > much time reading either, and would much rather learn one good program > than two. I spend much time on both, and Gnus is definitely optimized for the my kind. With the amount of mail I get, the traditional news reading paradigm[1] simply works far better than mail the traditional mail reading paradigm. > Besides, news and mail are very closely related, so using one prog > for both seems natural. Having different paradigms for mail and news groups removes much of the benefit from having a single program. > Hence I think making gnus as intuitive as possible for both is "a > good thing". It was never a design goal to implement the traditional mail reading paradigm in Gnus (which is what people mean by "intuitive"). While you _can_ set it up to be used that way, it will be a fight. I strongly recommend either using a tool that was designed for that purpose, or even better, start using Gnus as it was designed. The news readign paradigm _is_ very powerful, and you will not have to switch paradigm each time you switch between mail and news groups any more. > Whereas I do not have a strong opinion about renumbering the messages, > I honestly don't see how the impossibility of renumbering usenet > messages is relevant to the option of renumbering mail messages in > one's own folder. Again, it is about how you think about the messages, not about the particular feature. If you think about the numbers as something you should be concerned about, then you think the wrong way. Gnus is designed to make the numbers irrelevant, because it is designed for news where you can't change them. Yes, there are backend specific features. What I'm talking about is the underlying model. Footnotes: [1] Sorry for using that word, but I can't find a better word for "the model of thinking about the messages."