From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33041 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: ognus Date: 31 Oct 2000 14:36:37 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <2nwvetu80i.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> <200010291739.RAA06135@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> <200010302322.XAA08221@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169221 23071 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:00:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85449D049A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:59:49 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAB15666; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:59:36 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:58:59 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17580 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:58:47 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (sheridan.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.227]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8F0D049A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:59:13 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from ssv2.dina.kvl.dk (ssv2.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.226]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16805; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:21:42 +0100 Original-Received: from abraham by ssv2.dina.kvl.dk with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13qbaf-0008Ew-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:36:37 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ Original-Lines: 61 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33041 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33041 Dave Love writes: > >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen writes: > > PA> All other CVS based projects I know of either have HEAD as the front > PA> of the development branch, or are planning to do so in the future > PA> because having HEAD be the stable branch causes too many problems. > > I doubt many of them have absentee maintainers, a lack of management > and not even the ability to make a release or update a web site. Nor are they writing newsreaders in Emacs Lisp. Of course the management situation needs to be cleared, but that doesn't mean we have to start making decisions that have proven bad in their projects. > The fact that this exchange is happening is indicative. I shouldn't > be doing the work I am and I certainly shouldn't find things change > under me like this without warning. (I'm not a beginner.) I don't know why you are doing that work. None of the earlier Emacs bundles have been trying to track Gnus development, they have just integrated a specific version. I don't see the XEmacs people having a specific Gnus branch either. > PA> There are no excuse for picking up software with CVS and > PA> expecting stable code. > > So people wouldn't advise users to do that? People advise others to take illegal drugs and engage in unsafe sex with strangers. "People" will always give stupid advice, given how most cvs based projects works, "users" have no excuse for following that advice. CVS access is meant for developers, most of whom are working on the development branch, not end-users[1]. > How should things be > stabilized and users provided with useful fixed versions? (I know > stabilization prior to Gnus releases isn't traditional.) Gnus _is_ released, and like all the other released versions I find it pretty good (and stable). > PA> Aren't all the 5.8.7 point releases stable? > > I don't know what that means. I meant `5.8.x'. > PA> I thought Lars always required assignments for Gnus code. > > You might think or hope that. You might hope that everybody with CVS > write access would have an assignment on file and that no-one else > checked in anything dubious. If you were Gerd or me, you'd be > disappointed and waste a lot of time on the issue. Well, he used to avoid e.g. Kyle Jones code (which is both relevant and very high quality, but unassigned). Footnotes: [1] Someone pointed out that using CVS to retrieve a specific tagged release make sense, also for end-users.