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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Cc: John Moreno <phenix@interpath.com>,
	"Karl-Johan Noren" <k-j-nore@dsv.su.se>
Subject: Re: GNKSA and Gnus
Date: 05 Jan 1998 20:54:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rjn2hawvar.fsf@zuse.+dina.kvl.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: John Moreno's message of Sat, 27 Dec 97 20:07:56 -0500


[ Lars:  I'd be willing to work on 10d and 10e if you are interested. ]

The GNKSA requirements seem reasonable to me.  Some of the SHOULD
doesn't really apply to Gnus because of special concerns, which I
suspect is why they are SHOULD and not MUST.

>     7c   Does not restrict references sensibly

I often have to manually edit the references line when posting
followups in gnu.misc.discuss in order to make INN accept it.  I guess
it happens in gnu.misc.discuss because

1) The threads there are very deep.
2) There are a high fraction of Gnus users, thus none of the posters
   software will restrict the header.

This is with 

nntp-server-type's value is 
"200 ssv2.dina.kvl.dk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.5.1 17-Dec-1996 ready (posting ok).\n"

I found this in the config file.

##  Maximum size of a single header.
#### =()<MAXHEADERSIZE          @<MAXHEADERSIZE>@>()=
MAXHEADERSIZE           1024

I would feel more safe having Gnus truncate the header, than doing it myself.

> Additionally, the software violates the `soft' GNKSA requirements
> (SHOULDs) in the following way:
>     10d  Does not omit (proper) signatures from quoted text

I think Gnus should do that.  The default Gnus citation handler is too
barebone, probably in reaction too the alternative citation handler
(SuperCite) which is too advanced.

>     10e  Does not let the user indicate which part to followup to

This is something Gravity does, and in general a good idea.  It migth
make less sense for Gnus.  However, I think it would be nice if
quoting would be restricted to the currently region in the messsage
being quoted, iff `transient-message-mode' is on, and the region is
active.

>     10g  Attribution line lacks Message-ID of original article

This is the only point I disagree with.  The message-id is in the
references line, which should be enough.  I don't think therte is
anything resembling a consensus on whether it should be included in
the attribution line as well.

>     16b  Does not refuse posting an empty article
>     16d  Does not refuse to post quoted text only
>     16f  Does not try to prevent posting multiple copies entirely

Actually, I believe I have gotten warnings for all three of these.

> The software sports the following nice net-keeping features unmentioned
> by the GNKSA:

Command to fetch FAQ for the group.



       reply	other threads:[~1998-01-05 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <199712280107.UAA02498@mail.interpath.net>
1998-01-05 19:54 ` Per Abrahamsen [this message]
1998-01-05 20:31   ` Russ Allbery
1998-01-05 21:29     ` Selective quoting (was: Re: GNKSA and Gnus) Per Abrahamsen
1998-01-12 22:15   ` GNKSA and Gnus Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-01-12 22:45     ` Russ Allbery
1998-02-02 18:25       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-01-12 22:48     ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-01-13 15:58     ` PATCH: Don't quote signature (was: Re: GNKSA and Gnus) Per Abrahamsen
1998-01-14 23:57       ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1998-01-15  0:15         ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-01-15  8:52           ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
1998-01-15 13:55             ` Per Abrahamsen
1998-01-15 14:16               ` Lars Balker Rasmussen
1998-01-15 14:42                 ` Per Abrahamsen
1998-01-15 14:49                   ` Lars Balker Rasmussen
1998-01-15 15:36                     ` Per Abrahamsen
1998-01-18 13:16           ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1998-02-08 15:18       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-01-05 21:22 GNKSA and Gnus John Moreno
1998-01-05 22:02 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-01-04 22:04 [John Moreno <phenix@interpath.com>] " John Moreno
1998-01-08  9:14 ` Russ Allbery
1998-01-04 21:45 [John Moreno <phenix@interpath.com>] " Russ Allbery
1998-01-04 22:27 ` John Moreno
1998-01-04 23:58   ` Matt Simmons
1998-01-05 13:42     ` Robert Bihlmeyer

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