From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13452 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: GNKSA and Gnus Date: 05 Jan 1998 20:54:52 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <199712280107.UAA02498@mail.interpath.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152816 9355 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:26:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Moreno , "Karl-Johan Noren" Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14437 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:35:50 -0800 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02221 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:36:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAN00436; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:33:02 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:55:37 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19214 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:55:25 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 3109 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jan 1998 19:55:13 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 3106 invoked from network); 5 Jan 1998 19:55:12 -0000 Original-Received: from elc1.dina.kvl.dk (130.225.40.228) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 1998 19:55:11 -0000 Original-Received: from zuse.dina.kvl.dk (zuse.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.245]) by elc1.dina.kvl.dk (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA05230; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:46:01 +0100 Original-Received: (abraham@localhost) by zuse.dina.kvl.dk (8.6.12/8.6.4) id UAA19287; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:52 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: John Moreno's message of Sat, 27 Dec 97 20:07:56 -0500 Original-Lines: 64 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13452 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13452 [ Lars: I'd be willing to work on 10d and 10e if you are interested. ] The GNKSA requirements seem reasonable to me. Some of the SHOULD doesn't really apply to Gnus because of special concerns, which I suspect is why they are SHOULD and not MUST. > 7c Does not restrict references sensibly I often have to manually edit the references line when posting followups in gnu.misc.discuss in order to make INN accept it. I guess it happens in gnu.misc.discuss because 1) The threads there are very deep. 2) There are a high fraction of Gnus users, thus none of the posters software will restrict the header. This is with nntp-server-type's value is "200 ssv2.dina.kvl.dk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.5.1 17-Dec-1996 ready (posting ok).\n" I found this in the config file. ## Maximum size of a single header. #### =()@>()= MAXHEADERSIZE 1024 I would feel more safe having Gnus truncate the header, than doing it myself. > Additionally, the software violates the `soft' GNKSA requirements > (SHOULDs) in the following way: > 10d Does not omit (proper) signatures from quoted text I think Gnus should do that. The default Gnus citation handler is too barebone, probably in reaction too the alternative citation handler (SuperCite) which is too advanced. > 10e Does not let the user indicate which part to followup to This is something Gravity does, and in general a good idea. It migth make less sense for Gnus. However, I think it would be nice if quoting would be restricted to the currently region in the messsage being quoted, iff `transient-message-mode' is on, and the region is active. > 10g Attribution line lacks Message-ID of original article This is the only point I disagree with. The message-id is in the references line, which should be enough. I don't think therte is anything resembling a consensus on whether it should be included in the attribution line as well. > 16b Does not refuse posting an empty article > 16d Does not refuse to post quoted text only > 16f Does not try to prevent posting multiple copies entirely Actually, I believe I have gotten warnings for all three of these. > The software sports the following nice net-keeping features unmentioned > by the GNKSA: Command to fetch FAQ for the group.