From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57732
Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general
Subject: Re: new user assistant
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:46:38 +0200
Organization: The Church of Emacs
Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu
Message-ID: <rjoeobm3g1.fsf@sheridan.dina.kvl.dk>
References: <m37jvch4a3.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> <4nd653nm2i.fsf@lifelogs.com>
 <m34qqfyog1.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> <4nzn86honu.fsf@lifelogs.com>
 <m365auyhfa.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> <4nk6z9bk8n.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com>
 <lmvfiodmgf.fsf@dernhelm.edmonton.yottayotta.com>
 <4n65amj5ko.fsf@lifelogs.com> <rjaczwvmq8.fsf@sheridan.dina.kvl.dk>
 <65akveaz.fsf@random.internal> <4nekp88hx1.fsf@lifelogs.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085597287 1959 80.91.224.253 (26 May 2004 18:48:07 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:48:07 +0000 (UTC)
Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6273@lists.math.uh.edu Wed May 26 20:47:47 2004
Return-path: <ding-owner+M6273@lists.math.uh.edu>
Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13])
	by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
	id 1BT3RK-0000qg-00
	for <ding-account@gmane.org>; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:47:46 +0200
Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu)
	by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1)
	id 1BT3QX-00089m-00; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:57 -0500
Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23])
	by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1)
	id 1BT3QO-00089e-00
	for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:48 -0500
Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix)
	by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30)
	id 1BT3QN-0008Pt-Qj
	for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:47 -0500
Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249])
	by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FFD3A022A
	for <ding@gnus.org>; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:46:46 -0500 (CDT)
Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
	id 1BT3QG-0005aN-00
	for <ding@gnus.org>; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:46:44 +0200
Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([130.225.40.227])
        by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
        id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
        for <ding@gnus.org>; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:46:40 +0200
Original-Received: from abraham by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
        id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
        for <ding@gnus.org>; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:46:40 +0200
X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org
Original-To: ding@gnus.org
Original-Lines: 20
Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org
X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sheridan.dina.kvl.dk
X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM<U{B+4e{k79.Ya{~':DblFPCg$
 @60,BfLv2@SKZ19cMWK0/C'v;tM:|6B'R}U1rp6CL&kN({9<zF/V{:JCg27yC)9oZjeqcQawzKfiNL
 t9}`vjmK["dRQC/qGFQq"%u|Q`:6{"Rz}b(dnl_"3$Jtqimi>|8MBp/
Mail-Copies-To: nobody
User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:lzLNHYB5d10H8ubsyeA97ZX/mGg=
Precedence: bulk
Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57732
X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57732

"Ted Zlatanov" <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> That was my original design, and it's bad because it confuses the
> user with too much technical lingo they don't care to learn.

Yes, the typical user should go through the setup and be presented
with as little information as possible.  One could argue that is the
main point of assistants.

> I think nnimap should be a first-tier choice, because it is very
> common among ISPs.

If imap is common (my isp doesn't provide it), and the Gnus
implementation is robust, imap should be the prefered choice, simply
because it leave mail on the server.

There need to be a strong warning (now the user no longer has to
sacrifice a goat), that the other backends will move mail away from
the server.