From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41773 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mailing lists and news archiving Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:55:20 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87lmfc8qem.fsf@lackawana.kippona.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177118 7889 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:11:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 12594 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 10:56:32 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 10:56:32 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16OGOw-0000Jy-00; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:56:10 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:55:57 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA14853 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:55:45 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 12575 invoked by alias); 9 Jan 2002 10:55:49 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 12570 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 10:55:48 -0000 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (130.225.40.227) by gnus.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 10:55:48 -0000 Original-Received: from ssv2.dina.kvl.dk (ssv2.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.226]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22570; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:55:20 +0100 Original-Received: from abraham by ssv2.dina.kvl.dk with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16OGO8-0002RL-00; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:55:20 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: (Russ Allbery's message of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:06:59 -0800") Original-Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) Emacs/21.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41773 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41773 Russ Allbery writes: > Per Abrahamsen writes: > >> Isn't this called Usenet? > >> If we make the mailing list archives too systematic, they might lose >> some of the properties that differentiate them from Usenet. Mailing >> lists tend to appear more exclusive, and less prone to spammers and >> trolls. Especially if they are bi-directional, like Lars want. > > Hm. I'm not sure whether security via obscurity would help here or not. The obscurity is the only significant difference between Usenet groups and mailing lists as far as I can see. >> A vaguelly heard rumors of the gnu.* hiearchy being revitalized. If >> that is the case, maybe Lars should ask for the ding list being >> gatewayed as gnu.emacs.gnus.development. > > Yes, I'm working on that revitalization, in fact. Currently, I'm stuck on > trying to figure out how to generate the correct PGP keys that I need; I > should get back to working on that. The software is pretty much all > written to generate control messages, which is the first major step. Then > we just have to write a whole bunch of documentation. Sounds excellent!