From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57426 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Wizards! I mean, Assistants! Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:45:36 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084808765 1141 80.91.224.253 (17 May 2004 15:46:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5966@lists.math.uh.edu Mon May 17 17:45:57 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BPkJR-0004ho-00 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BPkJE-0004s5-00; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:45:44 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BPkJA-0004s0-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:45:40 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BPkJ9-0008KE-Od for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:45:39 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EF83A0050 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:45:39 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BPkJ8-0001kV-00 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:45:38 +0200 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([130.225.40.227]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:45:38 +0200 Original-Received: from abraham by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:45:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sheridan.dina.kvl.dk X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OgO8sjAXvN7UhGzQWphF8pjVwZs= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57426 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57426 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > For 2) I'd originally though "just use W3", but it might not be the > best fit. It's too... free, in a way. We want to guide the user. > Sternly. So perhaps a simpler renderer has to be written. Or > several. There could be one buffer-based renderer, and one > Gtk-based, etc. The biggest problem is that w3 is not really maintained. If we could just find a suck... hero to take over maintenance, it would be excellent. It could also work as a specification language. It actually already has a few extra tags for that purpose. Here is the test (again) I wrote originally for that purpose: Anyway, I don't think brainstorming is what we need most. What we need would be for someone to do the boring work of implementing a saint using existing capabilities, and then use the experience for writing tools making the next saint easier to write.