From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/73282 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: $ collision Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:27:00 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87pqv779gi.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87ocarvxt8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87iq0zuh40.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287451637 13976 80.91.229.12 (19 Oct 2010 01:27:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Russ Allbery Original-X-From: ding-owner+M21654@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Oct 19 03:27:16 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P80yx-0007R8-LP for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:27:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P80yq-0002fJ-6Q; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P80yn-0002ey-Vd for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:27:05 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P80ym-0007MD-6X for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:27:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1P80yl-0001DA-00 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:27:03 +0200 Original-Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so1241310bwz.17 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject :organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=J/voFcGdA+tL3iVyqmHZY5oqkvHomf/vQU9SQcF3jcE=; b=kdh2u8ZaUGpNeUslioUlNvkc1w/y59G3fN9P3fG+nc+piILdOMlaQ8gJ/1M5KanSWI ey5Ifkg/U7LrroGFvTeYnvAXhY2H4u9H23tHW1h5KL3ul59UCmf+ItASENbQzn4/st50 E2rWWOU2F7XoeLN/r2Osvgl+icSIX8TG/KMbA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=BVmcvYwhH+v6jHvBycfzZ4tK4B1UIkbsgDJ9+6/MIDxscyRSQq+l7O5AIyAxU43EmU hcun0tUgPhVyqu1k4PxMUtZkguoOKw2Xb/jemZ/5BrgIeHOdEke3hUuq9EvFteJo298p 9b08UoV2SBwZq6teGvoEu27FYrd+hfNARu0+0= Original-Received: by 10.204.68.144 with SMTP id v16mr5155227bki.58.1287451622991; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d12sm5937879bkw.19.2010.10.18.18.27.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:27:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87iq0zuh40.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> (Russ Allbery's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:05:35 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:73282 Archived-At: Russ Allbery writes: > Richard Riley writes: > >> Maybe I'm missing something but M- works fine. In this case M-d. > > I promise, it doesn't me. Apparently it works for you with the particular > set of terminal emulators that you use, but it doesn't work for me running > ssh inside a bog-standard xterm and never has in the fifteen plus years > that I've been using Emacs. > >> M not working would render emacs useless in a terminal I would have >> thought. > > That's why it's always been possible in Emacs to simulate meta by pressing > ESC and then the character. I guess this is where I am getting confused. Esc is the meta here or I have certainly always thought of it as that .. but that to one side for a moment : the rest of the emacs driving keys use M so do you redefine all those or just use Esc as the Meta? Don't misunderstand me, I'm not objecting per-se to anything I am just trying to understand why existing keys that people use for Mairix are remapped to add a facility key to something already mapped. I would have thought it fairly easy for experienced emacs users to make their own convenient mappings when using emacs hostile shells as you obviously are. I used emacs -nw for quite a while but reverted to X in the end because it was so much easier to use org mode and I had better abilities to remap Function and S/Function keys and yes, I did experience different emacs "friendliness" depending on which term I used. regards r.