From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31223 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2023 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Nov 2023 00:01:55 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4rjd-0023au-0S for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:01:53 -0600 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4rjc-001PwY-2S for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:01:52 -0600 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4rjZ-001PwP-2c for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:01:50 -0600 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4rjY-0023aO-06 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:01:49 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=BT4p+KuqFd3Gds2tyre4BeRjgbFniq5fD8ch5XRsozM=; b=U27ueMdNRCNGsAeHJ62DOiKbdh uq9AM2uKS8RKkIFg2jBhfherwVeVyFIczBLUbu1tjh/kmljyyaNm8yDEgFQFuYBO1aqltta0Gsc8f zQLJq/dMFl9drKrwAHKPQVHgpz50vlr89woojsGp09t01Z6qqapQfUVLorTjIIc331vc=; Received: from s1.lexort.com ([71.19.148.97]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4rjQ-000815-Fh for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 01:01:43 +0100 Received: by s1.lexort.com (Postfix, from userid 10853) id 12C104106FA; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 19:01:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lexort.com; s=mail; t=1700438497; bh=nnXU6S3KMuUnyUflDuInVy/TvIaD3brU4Pg0e/lhuu0=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=fBL42T+ggsxaF8ETixU1ZALKxAwupBlB0RImKwdHKZDiHdO9adg92zempdR106GMU jU/m6dPkKlPgZR1/D8KrMJ/wpKHSTNg0v8MaBlwdat3mUXSxZasGup4OEpsgt3fj0T 9zojQaIo6Aq18fjAlAQG1nMiS3P6ONp81UzVncAE= From: Greg Troxel To: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: resending bounces: DKIM and Message-ID: References: <87msvu8m4w.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <877cmw80c4.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ttpy6xnr.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <8734x1ply0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o7fpifwr.fsf@uwo.ca> OpenPGP: id=098ED60E Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 19:01:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87o7fpifwr.fsf@uwo.ca> (Dan Christensen's message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:36:52 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk Dan Christensen writes: > Eric wrote: > >>>> I have a solution! Potentially. When a user runs SDb, we first prompt >>>> "Edit original (bounced) message before sending?" >>>> >>>> If the user chooses "no", we resend immediately using `message-bounce', >>>> including the original Message-ID and all that jazz (though still >>>> respecting `message-ignore-bounced-headers'). If the user chooses "yes", >>>> we sneakily delegate to SDe, dumping them in a *Unsent Message* buffer. > > I like that solution. > > I don't like the status quo, since when you do `S D b', it drops you > in a message buffer, inviting you to edit it, but then makes the > assumption that you won't edit it (by preserving the Message-ID, etc). > > My second choice is to just assume that it may be edited, and > remove the appropriate headers. I agree mostly except I lean to "assume edit". Really there are 2 orthogonal choices: "extract a bounce and prepare to resend" vs "resend a message" and "don't edit" vs "edit" except that "resend" more or less is always edit in that you choose a new destination and you add Resent-From: and Resent-To: headers. (If these are covered by DKIM you need to remove DKIM_Signature.) This argument leads to "offer choice to edit or not and prune headers on the edit branch", for both SDb and SDe. Maybe edit by default and ^U prefix arg to not edit? (Only an emacs user could think that's reasonable!)