* bah, i've had it with html @ 2001-07-26 22:47 Brian Edmonds 2001-07-26 23:45 ` Colin Walters 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Brian Edmonds @ 2001-07-26 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Ok, is there a reasonably straightforward way to tell Gnus (5.8.6 currently here) that I never want it to render HTML? Ever? If I get a message in which the only content is in HTML, I'd rather see the HTML source. Brian. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-26 22:47 bah, i've had it with html Brian Edmonds @ 2001-07-26 23:45 ` Colin Walters 2001-07-27 5:24 ` Brian Edmonds 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Colin Walters @ 2001-07-26 23:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Brian Edmonds <brian@gweep.ca> writes: > Ok, is there a reasonably straightforward way to tell Gnus (5.8.6 > currently here) that I never want it to render HTML? Ever? If I > get a message in which the only content is in HTML, I'd rather see > the HTML source. >From my ~/.gnus file: (setq mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display)) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-26 23:45 ` Colin Walters @ 2001-07-27 5:24 ` Brian Edmonds 2001-07-27 9:07 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-07-27 12:03 ` Itai Zukerman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Brian Edmonds @ 2001-07-27 5:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Colin Walters <walters@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: >> Ok, is there a reasonably straightforward way to tell Gnus (5.8.6 >> currently here) that I never want it to render HTML? Ever? > From my ~/.gnus file: > (setq mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display)) Many thanks, this works great! Nothing against w3, which I have used happily for various actual web browsing, I just wince every time it gets started up for a piece of email. Brian. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 5:24 ` Brian Edmonds @ 2001-07-27 9:07 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White 2001-07-27 15:44 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-07-27 12:03 ` Itai Zukerman 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-07-27 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On 26 Jul 2001, Brian Edmonds wrote: > Many thanks, this works great! Nothing against w3, which I have > used happily for various actual web browsing, I just wince every > time it gets started up for a piece of email. I'm happy with this: (add-to-list 'mm-discouraged-alternatives "text/html") Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative. kai -- ~/.signature: No such file or directory ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 9:07 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White 2001-07-27 13:19 ` Brian Edmonds ` (3 more replies) 2001-07-27 15:44 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 4 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2001-07-27 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Brian Edmonds, ding On Fri Jul 27 2001 at 04:07, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) said: > On 26 Jul 2001, Brian Edmonds wrote: > >> Many thanks, this works great! Nothing against w3, which I have >> used happily for various actual web browsing, I just wince every >> time it gets started up for a piece of email. > > I'm happy with this: > > (add-to-list 'mm-discouraged-alternatives "text/html") > > Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative. I've used your line above for quite a while, but I see text/plain alternatives so rarely nowadays that it's time for something more powerful. When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course, finish up with `C-c C-c'. Is there some way to automate that for these stupid html-only nnml messages? Cheers - bw Footnotes: [1] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- #! /usr/local/bin/perl $^W = 1; use strict; use POSIX (); use Fcntl; my $tmp = POSIX::tmpnam(); while( ! sysopen(F, $tmp, O_WRONLY|O_EXCL|O_CREAT, 0600) ) { die "Attempt to open $tmp failed: $!" unless $! =~ "File exists"; $tmp = POSIX::tmpnam(); } while(<>) { print F; } close(F) or die "Close of $tmp failed: $!"; !system(qw(lynx -dump -force_html), $tmp) or die "System failed: $!"; END { unlink $tmp if -f $tmp; } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wri.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White @ 2001-07-27 13:19 ` Brian Edmonds 2001-07-27 13:46 ` Kim Minh Kaplan ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Brian Edmonds @ 2001-07-27 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes: > Is there some way to automate [html2txt] for these stupid html-only > nnml messages? At my last job where I was usin procmail, I added a rule to pass any text/html or multipart/alternative messages through demime before filing. Simple, and worked great. But really, all I seem to get in HTML-only is spam, and I'd rather not bother. I just don't want w3 loading up for something I didn't really want to read anyways. Brian. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White 2001-07-27 13:19 ` Brian Edmonds @ 2001-07-27 13:46 ` Kim Minh Kaplan 2001-07-27 13:58 ` Bill White 2001-07-27 14:07 ` Itai Zukerman 2001-07-27 20:15 ` Kai Großjohann 3 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kim Minh Kaplan @ 2001-07-27 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Bill White writes: > When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the > summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an html2text[1] > script on it (`C-u M-| html2text') Isn't W h (M-x gnus-article-wash-html) good enough? Kim Minh. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 13:46 ` Kim Minh Kaplan @ 2001-07-27 13:58 ` Bill White 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2001-07-27 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On Fri Jul 27 2001 at 08:46, Kim Minh Kaplan <kaplan@kim-minh.com> said: > Bill White writes: > >> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the >> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an >> html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text') > > Isn't W h (M-x gnus-article-wash-html) good enough? No - it uses w3. Cheers - bw -- Bill White . billw@wolfram.com . http://members.wri.com/billw "No ma'am, we're musicians." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White 2001-07-27 13:19 ` Brian Edmonds 2001-07-27 13:46 ` Kim Minh Kaplan @ 2001-07-27 14:07 ` Itai Zukerman 2001-07-27 14:38 ` Bill White 2001-07-27 20:15 ` Kai Großjohann 3 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Itai Zukerman @ 2001-07-27 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kai Großjohann, Brian Edmonds, ding > When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the > summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an html2text[1] > script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course, finish up with > `C-c C-c'. Is there some way to automate that for these stupid > html-only nnml messages? Perhaps you can convince Gnus to use mailcap. Some potential mailcap entries: text/html; /usr/bin/html2text '%s'; copiousoutput text/html; /usr/bin/links -dump '%s'; copiousoutput mm-display part seems to handle this properly (when w3 *isn't* installed, anyway); see my other post in this thread. This seems more elegant that putting text/html-specific code in Gnus. (Or, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...) -- Itai Zukerman <http://www.math-hat.com/~zukerman/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 14:07 ` Itai Zukerman @ 2001-07-27 14:38 ` Bill White 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bill White @ 2001-07-27 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Brian Edmonds, ding On Fri Jul 27 2001 at 09:07, Itai Zukerman <zukerman@math-hat.com> said: >> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the >> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an >> html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course, >> finish up with `C-c C-c'. Is there some way to automate that for >> these stupid html-only nnml messages? > > Perhaps you can convince Gnus to use mailcap. Some potential > mailcap entries: A-ha. (require 'mailcap)! > text/html; /usr/bin/html2text '%s'; copiousoutput > > mm-display part seems to handle this properly (when w3 *isn't* > installed, anyway); see my other post in this thread. > > This seems more elegant that putting text/html-specific code in Gnus. Excellent - the perfect solution for me. I control when it happens, and it works in one very well-defined area. Thanks! bw -- Bill White Office: 5E-Z15 Documentation Programmer Phone: 217-398-0700 x 234 Wolfram Research Fax: 217-398-0747 http://members.wri.com/billw nunc scripsi totum da mihi potum ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2001-07-27 14:07 ` Itai Zukerman @ 2001-07-27 20:15 ` Kai Großjohann 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-07-27 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Brian Edmonds, ding On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bill White wrote: > When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the > summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an > html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course, > finish up with `C-c C-c'. Is there some way to automate that for > these stupid html-only nnml messages? Maybe w3m.el is good for you. It lets Gnus use the external w3m program to display HTML. It's supposed to be fast. kai -- ~/.signature: No such file or directory ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 9:07 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-07-27 12:34 ` Bill White @ 2001-07-27 15:44 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-07-27 16:42 ` Graham Murray 2001-07-27 20:17 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-07-27 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) * Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) on Fri, 27 Jul 2001 | Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative. No, HTML messages *should* have a text/plain alternative. These days many do not. -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 15:44 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-07-27 16:42 ` Graham Murray 2001-07-27 20:17 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Graham Murray @ 2001-07-27 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > No, HTML messages *should* have a text/plain alternative. These days many > do not. And even worse are those which are HTML only, but with *no* MIME header to indicate this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 15:44 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-07-27 16:42 ` Graham Murray @ 2001-07-27 20:17 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-07-27 21:02 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-07-27 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: (ding) On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > * Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) on Fri, 27 Jul > 2001 > | Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative. > > No, HTML messages *should* have a text/plain alternative. These > days many do not. Okay. So, `sometimes' rather than `often'. kai -- ~/.signature: No such file or directory ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 20:17 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-07-27 21:02 ` Stainless Steel Rat 2001-07-27 23:05 ` Karl Kleinpaste 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-07-27 21:02 UTC (permalink / raw) * Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) on Fri, 27 Jul 2001 | Okay. So, `sometimes' rather than `often'. Current and recent versions of Eudora default to "html on" and "no text part". AOL v6 is html only, no text at all. Just FYI. -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ which, if exposed due to rupture, should PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ not be touched, inhaled, or looked at. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 21:02 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 2001-07-27 23:05 ` Karl Kleinpaste 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 2001-07-27 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 1031 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 771 bytes --] Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > Current and recent versions of Eudora default to "html on" and "no > text part". Just another FYI, Eudora is particularly broken as regards handling multipart/alternative. This message is mp/alt. It contains a text/html part *first*, and text/plain *last*. That means that every MUA on the planet should render the message as text/plain, because "last" means "preferred" and every MUA can "do" text/plain. But not Eudora. No, silly us, how dare we presume. You see, Eudora, in its parental arrogance, will take such a mp/alt, wrongly display the text/html and _*throw the text plain away*_ _*/ENTIRELY/*_. It isn't even /available/ to the user. > AOL v6 is html only, no text at all. "Hit man for hire." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 5:24 ` Brian Edmonds 2001-07-27 9:07 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-07-27 12:03 ` Itai Zukerman 2001-07-27 14:46 ` Simon Josefsson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Itai Zukerman @ 2001-07-27 12:03 UTC (permalink / raw) I asked this before but didn't get any response. Does anyone have any idea why (without w3) text/html attachments are displayed as source at first, but if I press the attachment button twice Gnus invokes mm-display-part which (correctly) uses mailcap for display? Why isn't mm-display-part used the first time? (I get the feeling that there are two different MIME handling mechanisms buried in Gnus, and I can't quite follow the code...) This is with CVS gnus from 2001.07.04, and Emacs 20.7. -- Itai Zukerman <http://www.math-hat.com/~zukerman/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 12:03 ` Itai Zukerman @ 2001-07-27 14:46 ` Simon Josefsson 2001-07-27 15:41 ` Itai Zukerman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2001-07-27 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Itai Zukerman <zukerman@math-hat.com> writes: > Does anyone have any idea why (without w3) text/html attachments are > displayed as source at first, but if I press the attachment button > twice Gnus invokes mm-display-part which (correctly) uses mailcap for > display? Why isn't mm-display-part used the first time? Maybe w3 throws an error the first time. Does M-x toggle-debug-on-error RET before viewing the article the first time result in something useful (a backtrace)? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: bah, i've had it with html 2001-07-27 14:46 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2001-07-27 15:41 ` Itai Zukerman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Itai Zukerman @ 2001-07-27 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Je Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:46:15 +0200, Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> scribis: > Itai Zukerman <zukerman@math-hat.com> writes: > >> Does anyone have any idea why (without w3) text/html attachments are >> displayed as source at first, but if I press the attachment button >> twice Gnus invokes mm-display-part which (correctly) uses mailcap for >> display? Why isn't mm-display-part used the first time? > > Maybe w3 throws an error the first time. Does M-x > toggle-debug-on-error RET before viewing the article the first time > result in something useful (a backtrace)? I don't have w3 installed, and there are no errors. It seems that different code is executed the first time the content is rendered, and when I press the text/html button twice. But, I'm not sure why. Maybe a bug, maybe not. -- Itai Zukerman <http://www.math-hat.com/~zukerman/> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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