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From: Dave Love <fx@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: use of (defvar <foo>)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:46:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rzqek09mwvl.fsf@loveshack.ukfsn.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <v9fykq8oiv.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:58:16 +0200")

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> ,----[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/43027 ]
> | From: Richard M. Stallman
> | Subject: Re: defvars at compile time
> |
> | The only effect of a defvar with no initial value
> | is to silence the compiler.  So it is superfluous
> | to put it inside eval-when-compile.
> `----

That's certainly not true in Emacs 21:

(progn
  (with-temp-file "/tmp/x.el"
    (insert "(defvar foo)\n"))
  (byte-compile-file "/tmp/x.el")
  (with-temp-buffer 
    (insert-file-contents-literally "/tmp/x.elc")
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (delete-region 1 (line-beginning-position 0))
    (buffer-string)))
  => "(byte-code \"\\301\bB\x10\\301\\207\" [current-load-list foo] 2)
"

You can completely screw Emacs if you unload a feature that does that
on important variables.  It also causes confusion with find-function &
al.  I fixed a fair number of cases in the Emacs source that could
clobber things like `font-lock-keywords' and documented using
eval-when-compile in the Lisp manual.  I don't remember what the
justification was for the one-arg defvar modifying the load history at
the time; that sort of policy decision often gets reversed.



  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-07 11:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-06 19:24 Dave Love
2006-04-06 19:58 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 11:46   ` Dave Love [this message]
2006-04-07 19:07     ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 20:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-07 23:48         ` Bill Wohler
2006-04-09 13:56         ` Dave Love
2006-04-09 14:02           ` David Kastrup
2006-04-11 16:45             ` Dave Love
2006-04-10  0:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-11 17:06             ` Dave Love
2006-04-11 17:31               ` David Kastrup
2006-04-13 16:44                 ` Dave Love
2006-04-11 18:42               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-13 16:51                 ` Dave Love
2006-04-08 16:17       ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-09 14:03         ` Dave Love
2006-04-11  6:28     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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