Gnus problems at the edge of memory

Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Jost Krieger]

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For quite a few versions of Gnus (say since 5.0.xx) I've been running into problems
because I was running out of memory (sic).

1. scenario: Virtual memory fills up, I get the dreaded "save-some-buffers" message
   (saving doesn't help of course). Then I try and save gnus (to just
   exit). Unfortunately, saving .newsrc.eld seems to need memory, which isn't there ...
   I should mention I use all the extras like mailcrypt, supercite, tm, bbdb ...

2. scenario: at other times, my disk fills up. Most of the time I'm
   left with an almost empty active file (for nnml). Could we please
   have a generate-active function ? (Right now I use a shell script.)

Jost

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Re: Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jost Krieger <kriegjcb@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> 1. scenario: Virtual memory fills up, I get the dreaded
>    "save-some-buffers" message (saving doesn't help of course).

Saving does help -- if the dribble buffer is saved, all information
will be restored the next time you run Gnus.

> 2. scenario: at other times, my disk fills up. Most of the time I'm
>    left with an almost empty active file (for nnml). Could we please
>    have a generate-active function ? (Right now I use a shell script.)

`M-x nnml-generate-nov-databases' will do this, but it takes quite a
while, I guess...

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Re: Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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>>>>> "JK" == Jost Krieger <kriegjcb@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

JK> For quite a few versions of Gnus (say since 5.0.xx) I've been running
JK> into problems because I was running out of memory (sic).

Really....

JK> 1. scenario: Virtual memory fills up,

I find this to be a neat trick, considering that on the "bloated" Windows
95 platform I can run GNU Emacs 19.34, Gnus, bbdb, mailicrypt, supercite,
and the rest of my 12Mb or so collection of Emacs Lisp dohickies, and still
not force my swap file above 20Mb on a 12Mb RAM machine.  In fact, right
now my swap file is just over 11Mb.

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Re: Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Dewey M. Sasser]

>>>>> "Rich" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

>>>>> "JK" == Jost Krieger <kriegjcb@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

    JK> For quite a few versions of Gnus (say since 5.0.xx) I've been
    JK> running into problems because I was running out of memory
    JK> (sic).

    Rich> Really....

    JK> 1. scenario: Virtual memory fills up,

    Rich> I find this to be a neat trick, considering that on the
    Rich> "bloated" Windows 95 platform I can run GNU Emacs 19.34,
    Rich> Gnus, bbdb, mailicrypt, supercite, and the rest of my 12Mb
    Rich> or so collection of Emacs Lisp dohickies, and still not
    Rich> force my swap file above 20Mb on a 12Mb RAM machine.  In
    Rich> fact, right now my swap file is just over 11Mb.

It happens with reasonable (or rather, unreasonable) frequency on OS/2
(Warp 3.0), which I'm sure points to a memory leak in the emacs port
or in more likely in the OS/2 dlls rather than GNUS.  However, it used
to be much worse when I used RMAIL.

I usually manage to exit emacs normally (which clears the swap file
problems), but when I don't, as long as the dribble file gets saved
proper state can be restored.

(BTW, netscape + emacs can bring my swap to it's knees is no time.
Care to guess which tool I don't use because of it? :)


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Re: Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Jost Krieger]

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Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> JK> 1. scenario: Virtual memory fills up,
> 
> I find this to be a neat trick, considering that on the "bloated" Windows
> 95 platform I can run GNU Emacs 19.34, Gnus, bbdb, mailicrypt, supercite,
> and the rest of my 12Mb or so collection of Emacs Lisp dohickies, and still
> not force my swap file above 20Mb on a 12Mb RAM machine.  In fact, right
> now my swap file is just over 11Mb.

That just *might* have something to do with the 20000 (hmm, 19498)
people in my BBDB database.

I really should do something about it.

Though, it's nice to know you once posted as 
"Downwardly Mobile Lemmings", didn't you :-)

And here's the "top" line:

   ?  3977 kriegjcb 154 20 46588K 46020K sleep   14:11  0.80  0.79 emacs  

Unfortunately, this is not my private machine.

Jost

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Re: Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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>>>>> "DMS" == Dewey M Sasser <dewey@newvision.com> writes:

DMS> It happens with reasonable (or rather, unreasonable) frequency on OS/2
DMS> (Warp 3.0), which I'm sure points to a memory leak in the emacs port
DMS> or in more likely in the OS/2 dlls rather than GNUS.  However, it used
DMS> to be much worse when I used RMAIL.

Yup... are you using one of the EMX (GCC for OS/2) versions, or something
compiled elsewhere?

[...]

DMS> (BTW, netscape + emacs can bring my swap to it's knees is no time.
DMS> Care to guess which tool I don't use because of it? :)

I switched to Opera.

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Re: Gnus problems at the edge of memory

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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>>>>> "JK" == Jost Krieger <kriegjcb@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

JK> That just *might* have something to do with the 20000 (hmm, 19498)
JK> people in my BBDB database.

Oh, gheeze! yeah.

JK> Though, it's nice to know you once posted as 
JK> "Downwardly Mobile Lemmings", didn't you :-)

Yes, indeed I did.  I put a full set of "Oh! No! More Lemmings" levels into
a header randomizer.

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