From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88772 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:24:44 -1000 Organization: Avi Gobbler Publishing Message-ID: References: <87o90mm4x2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87blwmuh6j.fsf@dick.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87mug6klq3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87mug5bpuh.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87y2zojwbz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <871rxggj9l.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0g9q44t.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7bdelf4.fsf@gmail.com> <87tv9lmhzt.fsf@bobnewell.net> <875zm1w8sf.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0g8khcw.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87pnk7vr51.fsf@gmail.com> <87k1afiucn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87d0g4k0z5.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="163745"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36976@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Sep 13 20:25:36 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qGF-000gQa-6Q for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:25:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qFg-0006kx-W9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:25:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qFc-0006iE-MK for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:24:56 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qFZ-0001lA-4P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:24:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i8qFV-0003za-6W for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:24:51 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id h195so18590895pfe.5 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:24:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=7uaf7Zs67pH+JZWfY4geCJ/DIirGvUc8Qg9BUJs1taM=; b=YjbiBH2eXG858D/GYyPR7mNjlbb+03Ur2X+V7gVO2gqW7ZyFkxEO9pPZ2ybHA3dQQq vhUdqu1XiibFEYTZrfWZrEAwojHXjwrW24mo/XAGRar8OkZUvBvFgMtZQwYx34H0vbxW Jenx1mv1JWQh9L/qPB5F6mcML/+byFApfyZS6w1q4s28DTKj9gWwaP47i9sOD22hXVw2 suLJxSQYIxm8nSPpb1n6hZb1xno2FtH7SGbE8mXIkhAZ5I7Qvt4e4gL+C84cTMnWe4ov I9CCfrD3kY0/GUKHhBMFQuoUCAyE692bwqBE7WMs+2OPPw/y7g/LNX8HQYJCjMlhHv1j uZWw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:organization:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=7uaf7Zs67pH+JZWfY4geCJ/DIirGvUc8Qg9BUJs1taM=; b=jMfUW+wPo57Pj1j6cMbth3gbooq+okYfnZydt6JCvpGr3N2d9Vs0Ie8ac4qi+8EMdt ivoW2XgdIGAek0uKpTnB5uQVl9+69LJP7OihZI7CxqXpvqM37hoARxv0eHbFwBal/bRp DiwZHUOThde3LSvpkdyOAJrFloR56+HMLc3KEH3gBQIMlZiQPKSihESxyzFc8UG70PHB dDeFWVRp9ApUuVcIf9tzJOAXozWNVNhUge+vObD3o61wQXAeYCSC/HIHmS2oDJv5qExr QlIcSx7EUPM/o9riDDgYPWXqvAe95RTlx7xDS4cXfEFQvuq4wO89HhvNWEphFEGen591 izJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXWW8KMHFqLUIo7Jp5oniIxSu3DYIzkVg1tliz+bQCwhijaMDeg Ts5a+hUsfjdh38Fpd2fyoDRVWZ/JAogJazTa X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyYXm2d4O+9YWF61XzJ34ogp1Tem3HLuqP7uuoxz8n4lqoC5G4OJay6CU6IeVOXXN+I5CP3vg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:304:: with SMTP id 4mr8866480pgd.13.1568399086832; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([2607:f278:410e:2:910f:eebf:31f4:6c04]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u5sm30115959pfl.25.2019.09.13.11.24.45 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:24:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d0g4k0z5.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:19:10 +0800") List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88772 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > > A hindrance for users at any age :) There are whole aspects of Gnus > (scoring, spam, agent categories, etc) that I have never touched, > simply > because I couldn't be bothered with the learning curve. As an old retiree myself --- even with 10 years experience with Gnus-- there are aspects that I too haven't explored, scoring being the most prominent among them. And yet my gnus startup file is over 1000 lines of elisp (maybe half of it comment lines, but still) ... but that does underscore the point that without at least some ability with elisp, using gnus is probably not feasible. There might be a way to change that, but would a 'generic' gnus miss the point? We use gnus because it's amazing and does crazy stuff ... what other client would allow me (just as one small example) to set my input method to French, German, or Hawaiian depending on the addressee, let alone choose my smtp server based on a similar criterion? (Certain people ALWAYS get email from my preciously preserved AOL address!) The limitations of non-programmable clients show themselves quickly. Even the more 'advanced' ones fall far short. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i * Via Gnus/BBDB/Org/Emacs/Linux *