From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33524 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Toby Speight Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: tick and backtick in unicode Date: 30 Nov 2000 11:23:13 +0000 Organization: Citrix Systems Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <00Aug28.151432edt.115218@gateway.intersys.com> <00Aug28.173634edt.115213@gateway.intersys.com> <200009051429.PAA09826@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> <200009082240.XAA16800@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> <87n1h86w6a.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <200009181407.PAA02748@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> <87wvg7roi1.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <871ywi31rj.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <20001127134028.44631F705@titan.progiciels-bpi.ca> <87y9y5a3ff.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> <20001127165629.2A72F231C6@titan.progiciels-bpi.ca> <20001127194722.59B38DD432@tux.gnu.franken.de> <20001128060122.C12DC231C6@titan.progiciels-bpi.ca> <20001129054556.6773DDB0FB@tux.gnu.franken.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169615 25604 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:06:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96835D049A for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:27:21 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAB26129; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:23:54 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:23:16 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27137 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:23:03 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from gatekeeper.ctxuk.citrix.com (gatekeeper.ctxuk.citrix.com [195.153.38.114]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2027D049C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:23:26 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sh.ctxuk.citrix.com (sh.ctxuk.citrix.com [10.30.224.4]) by gatekeeper.ctxuk.citrix.com (8.8.7/BSCF-1.7) with ESMTP id LAA22790 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:23:17 GMT Original-Received: from hwvwall01.ctxuk.citrix.com (hwvwall01.ctxuk.citrix.com [10.30.224.27]) by sh.ctxuk.citrix.com (8.8.7/BSCF-1.7) with SMTP id LAA22334 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:23:16 GMT Original-Received: from 10.30.224.101 by hwvwall01.ctxuk.citrix.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:23:03 -0000 (GMT Standard Time) Original-Received: by hwexch01.ctxuk.citrix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:23:15 -0000 Original-Received: from lanber.cam.eu.citrix.com ([10.70.128.81]) by hwexch01.ctxuk.citrix.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id XZPTBXRW; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:23:14 -0000 Original-To: The Gnus Mailing List Original-Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 X-Face: wqk-$Z5Z In article <20001129054556.6773DDB0FB@tux.gnu.franken.de>, 0> Karl Eichwalder ("Karl") wrote: Karl> Markus explains that neither ASCII (ISO 646) nor ISO 8859-1 has Karl> left or right quote characters (neither double nor single); it Karl> has a single and a double quote you've to use to start and to Karl> end the quoted string. Karl> Karl> ASCII has the grave accent ("back tick") and ISO 8859-1 has the Karl> [acute] accent in addition. 0> In article , 0> Kai Gro=DFjohann = ("Kai") wrote: Kai> Are you saying that under your interpretation there is no way in Kai> Unicode to display left and right single quotes? There's no way in Latin-1; there exist paired quote characters in Unicode (outside the Latin-1 range). Kai> FWIW, TeX also uses `single quotes' like this. By saying this, I Kai> mean that when you provide TeX with an input that has `single Kai> quotes', then the output will contain a single left and a single Kai> right quote. Kai> Kai> I think it is not useful to make fonts such that TeX input looks Kai> asymmetrical, nor such that Emacs Lisp code looks asymmetrical. Kai> Kai> And I don't believe that shell code looks silly with left and Kai> right quotes at all, no more silly than with grave and acute Kai> accents. The way around this is probably to use a display-table to map = (unpaired) ` and ' to the paired quote characters in a mode-specific display-table used by (e.g.) Help mode and TeX mode. Caveat: I've only played with display-tables in unibyte emacsen; I don't know how Mule changes = display tables. Disclaimer: I use the GNU fonts for my Emacs, but I'm aware that = WISINWOG.