From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/78376 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mail-sources versus select-methods Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 12:39:13 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87lizv5ro9.fsf@bifteki.lan> <84r59mncl0.fsf@davestoy.home> <84oc4n5ysz.fsf@davestoy.home> <9239lxm0lr.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <84y63o4bg3.fsf@davestoy.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1302089957 21211 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2011 11:39:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M26680@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Apr 06 13:39:13 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7R4q-0000gU-J6 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:39:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7R4P-0000bM-CN; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:38:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7R4O-0000bG-Eh for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:38:44 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7R4M-0006ng-1L for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:38:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7R4L-0004n5-Ro for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:38:41 +0200 Original-Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so1550020fxm.17 for ; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 04:38:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :organization:message-id:references:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=Ckc+D1caYEl6NEG9XMVZhumVXkBuW+ctIp73UQPGR3A=; b=gWNZifjT/hG+SSBLXiRZvIWRORQNzI3CP1860gicyzepEtLyhefetU4fY0rA8HIxpd BZWVaOBr0xQuviAVlkpVMYuq71xXqd3edJOwYJruvZzOnYwNaSO5aSiVWqbW2eCPIEJz /J3/QrCSxdcxQiWgpP9Xaan08kxkxbDpeJaQE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=ZGHqab0n1lrrHNGdkla8u0A+uzkN4auxPoZ6x7r/CoVDj2gKLZV1aoy7rrtvM10alQ JflNMHUNGsNhh9BcCkD1kWKw1rNfJFj2SiV0MPokO9vFYiF8KU6qHy5HdxnZ1EUQnExq 1inM97nbknSEmC/2Ia5qW5Re0hgljvjJ2N52o= Original-Received: by 10.223.5.26 with SMTP id 26mr941001fat.68.1302089916372; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 04:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from asus1015pem ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm50064fas.30.2011.04.06.04.38.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Apr 2011 04:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from shamrock by asus1015pem with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7Q8v-0001TE-7n; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 12:39:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <84y63o4bg3.fsf@davestoy.home> (Dave Goldberg's message of "Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:47:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:78376 Archived-At: david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) writes: >>> Apples and oranges. The two are complementary - there's no >>> competition here. > >> But there is. You can achieve the same thing using both. My Q is what s >> best and why. > > Really? How can you use a mail source without a select method? I never suggested you can. I said you can read mail and news without setting mail-sources. Local and remote afaik. > > I submit by my previous statement. A select method (back end) is how you tell > Gnus to read mail/news. A mail source is how you tell Gnus to populate the back > end if Gnus is going to be responsible for that. It need not be. My point is that you dont need to set mail-sources. It seems that it can all be done in the select methods - my query is based on this point only. Or can it? I pointed out before that the mail-sources can include imap, pop3 etc : all of which can also be put into the select method and thus imap/pop3 are "mail sources" or "sources of mail". As I mentioned before I have used gnus for a long time now and only recently user mail-sources for the local system mail - I had been using only secondary selects before for maildir, imap and pop3 access all of which are "mail sources". Is this just a silly vocab issue I have I wonder?