From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74937 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Julien Danjou Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:44:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292258687 20361 80.91.229.12 (13 Dec 2010 16:44:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:44:47 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23293@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Dec 13 17:44:42 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBVv-000187-VB for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:44:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBVk-0005D2-D8; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:44:28 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBVj-0005Cr-Aw for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:44:27 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBVi-0000zC-7Q for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:44:27 -0600 Original-Received: from coquelicot-s.easter-eggs.com ([213.215.37.94]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBVh-0002Rf-EO for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:44:25 +0100 Original-Received: from cigue.easter-eggs.fr (cigue.easter-eggs.fr [10.0.0.33]) by rose.easter-eggs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1247714187 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:44:21 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from jdanjou by cigue.easter-eggs.fr with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBVg-0007FE-TX for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:44:24 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:29:55 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74937 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 13 2010, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> I don't think assistants is a good solution. That would just hide a >> complexity. But things should not be complex. > > They shouldn't, but sometimes they are... That is, it's more pleasant > for the user if we query the user instead of making a wrong guess, in > general.=20 Just don't forget who your users are. :) > After the `g' rework, the only difference real is in the group name. > That is, the primary method groups don't have prefixed names, while the > rest do. We could hide that by not displaying the prefixes (by default) > in the group buffer, but it's a leaky thing... and doing a total rework > here is ... eh... Kinda a lot of work. I agree it's a lot of work, but it's not undoable. At least, we should decide that it would be a good idea to revoke the primary/secondary mechanism and find something else. Then we can do the work little by little. I volunteer. :) > instead of exposing the primary/secondary stuff directly. I mean, if we > just drop the idea of a primary method altogether, and just say that > they're all secondary, then everything is fine. Except for the long, > prefixed group names... Sounds like a plan! Or we could provide a prefix for each method, just without the backend name in front of it. So you can still set it to "" if you have one primary, and to "WhatEver" so you can prefix the other methods. >> Weird, I do not have one. It may be recent. > > Perhaps you've killed it? It's only relevant for Agent users. Ah, I do not use the agent since it has a tendency to not work with IMAP. > However, that's really not the proper fix, since native groups (again > with the difference) aren't prefixed. I'll add a different fix. I don't know what fix you want, but setting it to "." might be the best fix. :) =2D-=20 Julien Danjou =E2=9D=B1 http://julien.danjou.info --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0GTWgACgkQpGK1HsL+5c0A/gCfVK3vGFu+kQPMTC6U1C1VnCpP CiMAoMvKY9s39of28BtJa9Ouj85fijSW =DUvF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--