From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/37168 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus coming with Emacs 21pre-release: iso-8859-{1,15} Date: 27 Jul 2001 20:22:27 +0200 Sender: ke@gnu.franken.de Message-ID: References: <7458-Fri27Jul2001114518+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035172631 12452 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:57:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 7511 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 18:26:26 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO myway.myway.de) (212.204.66.1) by gnus.org with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 18:26:26 -0000 Original-Received: from tux.gnu.franken.de (postfix@dialin4005.nefkom.net [212.114.164.5]) by myway.myway.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22555; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:26:05 +0200 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id B98E9A44CE; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:22:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <7458-Fri27Jul2001114518+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> ("Eli Zaretskii"'s message of "Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:45:18 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.0.104 Original-Lines: 34 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:37168 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:37168 "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > This should IMHO be optional at this time, since Unicode support in > the stock Emacs 21 distribution (without add-ons such as Mule-UCS) is > limited and incomplete. For starters, AFAIK, Emacs cannot encode > 8859-15 characters as UTF-8 (see the commentary in utf-8.el) unless > those characters came from a UTF-8 encoded source to begin with, and > thus are stored in the buffer as mule-unicode-NNNN characters. Okay, than we've to make sure to add an user option to store 8859-1 and 8859-15 (and 8859-2 and 8859-16) reply messages in the buffer as mule-unicode-NNNN characters, please. I'm sure I did send out UTF-8 messages already -- all this happened behind my back and I was very happy with it! [Thanks for the utf-8.el pointer; I'll try to read the code.] > (Perhaps Gnus can do such conversions with its own code; but I'm > talking about core Emacs functionality here.) Yes. I already received (polite) complains about my strange messages consisting of attachments only -- Netscape cannot handle multipart text messages that good. > This is not the kind of support that we could IMHO offer users as the > default. I don't mind to set a variable and to tell users to do so :) -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)