From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50660 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: charset=macintosh Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:30:00 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047065538 17820 80.91.224.249 (7 Mar 2003 19:32:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Fri Mar 07 20:32:17 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18rNZo-0004d2-00 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:32:16 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18rNZn-0006RT-00; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:32:15 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:33:15 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09939 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:33:03 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 44463 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2003 19:31:59 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 44458 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2003 19:31:59 -0000 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de (?AaUXga+4JxfVmJNZOy8/lF8JpyvU7KTm?@193.175.24.41) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 7 Mar 2003 19:31:59 -0000 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18rNZW-00005q-00 for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:31:58 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 33BA7A43E4; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:30:00 +0100 (CET) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:25:08 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50660 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50660 Simon Josefsson writes: > Me too, but I'm not sure if Gnus should override Emacs' coding system > ordering, and emacs prefers mac-roman over utf-8. The reason Emacs > doesn't list UTF-8 higher than macintosh is, supposedly, that the > UTF-8 support is not complete. Once it is complete, the emacs > maintainers will probably change the preference ordering. Thanks for explanation! > Fortunately it is easy to override the priorities within Gnus: > > '(mm-coding-system-priorities (quote (iso-latin-1 iso-latin-9 utf-8))) > > Of course, the die-hard solution is to run emacs in a UTF-8 locale, > then UTF-8 is preferred everywhere. I use this without problems, but > I do use the above line to downgrade to 8859-1/8859-15 in mail, > whenever possible. Last week I also did Emacs in a UTF-8 locale for some days and most of the time, it was a pleasure. You're right one should set: '(mm-coding-system-priorities (quote (iso-latin-1 iso-latin-9 utf-8))) If you do not try to post using latin1/15, many a lot readers are not that happy with your postings. I also observed that even more users don't set the Mime headers at all! And Gnus assumes UTF-8 for those postings and that's always wrong -- as you might imagine ;) > Hm. The UTF-8 discussion in Emacs 21.2 PROBLEMS is not present in > Emacs 21.3 prerelease, so perhaps it has been fixed. I'll ask on > emacs-devel whether utf-8 should be preferred over mac-roman. Thanks for your help! -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)