From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/36923 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Thinking about SPAM and bounce messages (Re: null-device) Date: 14 Jul 2001 05:57:42 +0200 Sender: ke@gnu.franken.de Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ding@gnus.org NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035172427 11138 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:53:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: po-utils-forum@iro.umontreal.ca, Bruno Haible , eliz@is.elta.co.il, ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 7654 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 03:59:09 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO myway.myway.de) (212.204.66.1) by gnus.org with SMTP; 14 Jul 2001 03:59:09 -0000 Original-Received: from tux.gnu.franken.de (postfix@dialin5028.nefkom.net [212.114.165.28]) by myway.myway.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15389; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id BEF34A44C9; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Fran=E7ois?= Pinard) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.0.104 Original-Lines: 50 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:36923 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:36923 [Reply-To: ding@gnus.org; or should I've better used Mail-Followup-To:?] pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (Fran=E7ois Pinard) writes: > SPAM is a pain, and a growing one. Just let it grow and die a sudden death (like dinos). > It is for me at least, but less for the members of the mailing lists I > manage, hopefully. I think for my users that a few "non-member > submission" (and associated delays) messages is better than the SPAM > which I see alone, and which they would otherwise receive. I disagree. Dalays, okay, using the internet we've to expect delays all the time. More important is that always the From: line is changed. Emacs/Gnus offers gnus-summary-resend-bounced-mail (S D b) -- unfortunately, it doesn't work too nice with bounces by majordomo (cf. my last message to the ding list, please). If proper bouncing doesn't work, I'd recommend to forward the message in a straiht manner. The last issue: Sometimes \201's are creeping in the "non-member submission" messages. > For the non-mailing-list messages I get, I have my own SPAM filters. > I keep asking managers for other mailing list I'm subscribed to, to > better do their share at blocking SPAM, because I consider that SPAM > should be blocked directly by the mailing lists, rather than by all > recipients down the road. Blocking isn't enough. I'll have to "complain", too. Blocking without complaining will not help to improve the world. Of course, you can do this to save your own health, but it's not okay to try to do this for others, too (even if innocent users are crying for this remedy!). I hope, it's clear what I want to say. > But I'll happily let my users decide. I do not personally need to > impose anti-SPAM to them. I thought I was doing them a service, I may > be wrong! :-) ;-) --=20 ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)