From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64663 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Greg Troxel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: message-header-xheader unused, maybe Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:55:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87r6perki0.fsf@zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179838615 6519 80.91.229.12 (22 May 2007 12:56:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:56:55 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M13174@lists.math.uh.edu Tue May 22 14:56:53 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HqTv0-0002g5-Bb for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:56:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqTuI-0007bL-LF; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:56:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqTuF-0007b0-Ls for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:56:03 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1HqTuD-00083p-KP for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:56:03 -0500 Original-Received: from linuxpal.mit.edu ([18.62.1.14]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1HqTuB-0005K6-00 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:55:59 +0200 Original-Received: by linuxpal.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 9545) id 3501216DE6; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:55:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Hashcash: 1:20:070522:ding@gnus.org::xaSgH0nbkqvCSX1Q:00001HPq X-Hashcash: 1:20:070522:yamaoka@jpl.org::p9mXgCTz2iVILCm7:00GzU3 In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Tue, 22 May 2007 19:56:56 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/21.4 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64663 Archived-At: I use light. But I tried the white-on-black Emacs today and realized I can do nothing in the message header unless I turn the brightness of the display up to practically the maximum. It is similar also in the article buffer. (It might be because I usually dim the display too much, though.) OTOH, emacs-w3m does not cause me inconvenience. I have long used white text on black background, and used to use green text on black background to avoid fuzz from convergence issues. I have in .Xresources: *Background: black *Foreground: white In a X11 emacs, the colors have not been too annoying, but they are still darker than I would like. With emacs running in an xterm, I find the colors, particularly for quoted text in article display, to be very dark, to the point where I turn off font-lock-mode to be able to read. Part of the issue may be the values reported by tty-color-alist in xterm (NetBSD, XFree86). (("black" 0 0 0 0) ("red" 1 65535 0 0) ("green" 2 0 65535 0) ("yellow" 3 65535 65535 0) ("blue" 4 0 0 65535) ("magenta" 5 65535 0 65535) ("cyan" 6 0 65535 65535) ("white" 7 65535 65535 65535)) In my view the right colors would have high luminances and therefore not be that saturated. I mean a light blue like c0c0ff rather than 0000ff. I don't know that the right fix is. Perhaps not using color should be chosen if the palette is inadequate. Perhaps I should get a spiffier xterm.