From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/27483 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brian May Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Bugs in PGnus Date: 02 Dec 1999 12:32:00 +1100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035164503 24833 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:41:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08345 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:32:46 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAB03314; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:32:31 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:32:41 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00808 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:32:30 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from silas-2.cc.monash.edu.au (bam@silas-2.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.7]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08311 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:32:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from bam@localhost) by silas-2.cc.monash.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA17074; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:32:00 +1100 (EST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Home-Page: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~bmay/ In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:16:33 +0100" Original-Lines: 121 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070098 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27483 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27483 >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: Lars> If you telnet to the server and say just Lars> HEAD <38385A79.8410721@mcn.net> Lars> to it, do you get the complete header, including this Xref line? Yes. head 31325 [...] Xref: towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au gnu.emacs.gnus:31325 and head <87u2m2482f.fsf_-_@tux.tuxoncd.de> [...] Xref: towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au gnu.emacs.gnus:31325 while some things are messed up on this news server, that seems to be OK. xover 31325 224 data follows 31325 Re: .procmailrc and gnus - sorry Holger Nassenstein Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:24:07 +0100 <87u2m2482f.fsf_-_@tux.tuxoncd.de> <87puwsxalx.fsf@tux.tuxoncd.de> 1900 42 Xref: towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au gnu.emacs.gnus:31325 . xover <87u2m2482f.fsf_-_@tux.tuxoncd.de> 224 data follows . (I suspect this is an illegal command). >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: Lars> Brian May writes: >> 2. As I already mentioned, threading often has problems, as messages >> are put with the wrong thread. This seems to be because "Y c" >> inserts cached articles at the *current* cursor position, and not in >> thread order. Pushing "T t" on the broken thread fixes it. Lars> Does this only happen with the cached articles, or with the other Lars> similar commands (`j', `^', `M-^') as well? j - yes. M-^ - yes, same problem for both. ^ - no, I would expect articles to appear above the cursor anyway. This doesn't mean there isn't a problem though. All so, something I didn't expect, M-^ will fetched the article from another newsgroup and insert into the current group. This is probably normal, but unexpected for me. If this is the case, the IMHO, followups to multiple messages should be cross posted to both groups (currently it only goes to one group). >> 4. I sent myself a HTML file (please ask if you want a copy) that >> displays OK in X-Windows, but in a text-mode console, the top >> of the file is missing, Lars> Could it be that w3 renders the message in a font that's not, er, Lars> visible? I don't think so (at least not for all messages). >> According to weblint, the "content=" should be quoted. However, >> I didn't write this HTML, so it is outside my control. PGnus >> gets *very* confused and displays: >> >> html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type> Lars> This has been fixed in more recent versions of w3. Yes. I suddenly realized the version I was using is an early beta version, supplied with xemacs (I think). >> Another problem with this message is that in text mode xemacs, >> the actual content is invisible (black on black) - probably >> because the HTML sets the background color, but not the >> foreground color - Stupid! No wonder - it is "MSHTML" ;-). Lars> There are w3 variables for customizing a bunch of font Lars> things. Newer version of w3 are very good at coping with Lars> all sorts of totally broken HTML. There is one web page where the newest W3 version is worse then the old - http://dictionary.com/ - none of the content is shown. I tried to send a bug report with the automatic bug utility (which didn't use Gnus, but its own message editor :-( ), but haven't received a reply yet. However, the newer version generally seems better. Oh... on the topic of bug reports, I tried to send a bug report on supercite, as it gets confused with some "From" addresses[1], but the bug report bounced. Anyone know the correct address for sc bug reports? (note[1]: is this an legal address? eg "Brian=20A.=20May"@somwhere.fidonet.org, which my Fidonet gateway converted (including quotes) from the Fidonet address "Brian A. May" ) >> However, while PGnus will display an entry for the cached article, it >> refuses to display the contents of this article: >> >> Symbol's value as variable is void: gnus-article-decode-hook Lars> That's very odd. (Time passes.) Aha! It's the old Lars> binding-a-variable-before-its-defvar-is-loaded thing. Fix in cvs. Thanks. PS. I haven't tried PGnus 0.99 yet, will do so ASAP. -- Brian May