From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/27782 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brian May Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: What now? Date: 06 Dec 1999 16:31:23 +1100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <84bt8kpxba.fsf@snoopy.apana.org.au> <7s4se2uqao.fsf@brutus.mts.jhu.edu> <66yh2sev.fsf@apl.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035164745 26315 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:45:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01419 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:33:23 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAB14610; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:33:00 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:32:44 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02076 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:32:22 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au (bam@silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.91]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01402 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:31:40 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from bam@localhost) by silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA22259; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:31:24 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au: bam set sender to bmay@csse.monash.edu.au using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Home-Page: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~bmay/ In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:26:09 +0100" Original-Lines: 57 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27782 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27782 >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: Lars> "Jody M. Klymak" writes: >> I was also thinking that perhaps a hyper diary may be a nice >> thing. The diary would accept hyperlinks (much the way that >> gnus does now, or Asvin Goel's Records Mode >> http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~ashvin/software.html). Then you could >> write a lisp function to save your article to a text file (or >> mbox) and add a hyperlink to your diary. Lars> That sounds kinda neat. If Gnus had a proper "refer article Lars> from outside of Gnus" function, Gnus could handle the Lars> "news:" URLs. I think this would be really good. Another feature (one that doesn't look like its already implemented at least) could be a "write new message with these headers" function, that could be called, eg by w3. Currently, while w3 uses Gnus message mode, major Gnus features, eg MIME and gnus-posting styles don't appear to be supported. However, this would require co-operation from w3. Lars> Gnus startup is slow and does lots of stuff, so such a Lars> function should just start up a minimal part of Gnus (unless Lars> it's already running), and not create the group or summary Lars> buffers, but just the article buffer and display the article Lars> there. All normal Gnus commands for doing stuff with Lars> articles should be valid there. Personally, I think Gnus is the type of mailer I try to keep running all the time. Especially because it is slow to start up. Even if such a function returned an error "Gnus not running", I think that would be acceptable - especially if a lot of work is required to change things. Lars> This is easier typed than done, though. All the article Lars> mode commands rely on the summary existing, and there are Lars> lots of commands that wouldn't be valid (like, `B c' -- you Lars> can't copy to another group if Gnus isn't "really" running, Lars> I'd think). Perhaps, one day you may have to remove a lot of these assumptions anyway. Why do article mode commands rely on the summary? I tend to think it might be a benefit, in some circumstances, to have an article window open, without the summary window. Not that I feel to strongly about it. Lars> Hm. Anobody got any suggestions as to how this could be Lars> achieved in a fashion that would not require Lots Of Lars> Work(tm)? Do everything twice. Then it will no longer be "lots of work". Instead, it will be "more then lots of work" ;-) -- Brian May