From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/27125 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brian May Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Bugs in PGnus Date: 22 Nov 1999 11:51:12 +1100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035164208 23001 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:36:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05275 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:52:40 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAB13804; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:52:34 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:52:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06690 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:52:01 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au (bam@silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.91]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05233 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:51:25 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from bam@localhost) by silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA00059; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:51:13 +1100 (EST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Home-Page: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~bmay/ Original-Lines: 114 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070098 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27125 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27125 Note: Previously I got this mailing list as a newsgroup from quimby.gnus.org, however, I cannot connect to this server right now... So Please CC any responses back to me. Is there a archive of this mailing list? Oh, yes, found it. Minor, bugs I have found in PGnus 0.98, in order of inconvenience (most inconvenient 2 are at the top). Some I already have mentioned. I suspect problem 3 might be easy to fix. Problem 4 and 5 might not be PGnus, but possibly w3. Not sure though. Problems 1 to 6: 1. Pushing A R doesn't retrieve article numbers on my computer at Uni. However it works fine at Home, with the same configuration, except for a different news server (one that I administrate) and a different .newsrc.eld file. (Lars implied that this shouldn't work at all - weird - or perhaps I misunderstood him?). Perhaps the news server here is giving bad index files or something - I don't particularly trust it. It would be good if I could be more specific though, when complaining to the administrator... 2. As I already mentioned, threading often has problems, as messages are put with the wrong thread. This seems to be because "Y c" inserts cached articles at the *current* cursor position, and not in thread order. Pushing "T t" on the broken thread fixes it. (I suspect this is only part of the threading problem, but I can reproduce this bug... From memory I get similar problems without pushing "Y c" but haven't yet reproduced it "on demand"). 3. Pressing "W T o", "W T l", "W T s", change the time zone of the displayed date as expected. Pressing "W T e" also works. However, once I push "W T e" to display the elapsed time, none of the "W T" time zone commands work anymore until I redisplay the message. 3. I get lots of ~/Mail/Incoming* files, which never seem to be deleted. Perhaps this is to keep a backup in case things go wrong, however I already do that via my .forward file. 4. I sent myself a HTML file (please ask if you want a copy) that displays OK in X-Windows, but in a text-mode console, the top of the file is missing, while weblint comes up with numerous errors, I find it strange that the same program skips text depending on which way it is started. Same goes for citations in replies. 5. Somebody sent me this badly formed HTML file, it starts off as: According to weblint, the "content=" should be quoted. However, I didn't write this HTML, so it is outside my control. PGnus gets *very* confused and displays: html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type> Is it possible to get PGnus to display this OK? Or is this outside the scope of PGnus? Another problem with this message is that in text mode xemacs, the actual content is invisible (black on black) - probably because the HTML sets the background color, but not the foreground color - Stupid! No wonder - it is "MSHTML" ;-). (however, I would have expected white on white, not black on black...) Marking a region highlights the text. Citing the message in a reply works fine, too. Perhaps these aren't really a bugs in PGnus, but are annoying all the same. 6. I wanted to try and get mail groups to behave in the same way as newgroups, as far as expiry is concerned - ie all messages can be expired unless they are cached (probably not supported). So I marked a message as cached and expired, and forced it to expire. I confirmed that a copy of the message appeared in: ~/News/cache/nnml+private:mail.usenet/1 and that the original was ~/Mail/mail/usenet/1, and pushed B M-C-e to force the article to expire. ~/Mail/mail/usenet/1 is gone (as expected) but the cached copy still exists. However, while PGnus will display an entry for the cached article, it refuses to display the contents of this article: Symbol's value as variable is void: gnus-article-decode-hook I think caching should either be fully disabled for mailing lists or fully enabled, but not half implemented in such a way that cached items cannot be accessed. Whats worse, is now something in PGnus is currupted, and it wont display any articles without this error. Restarting PGnus doesn't seem to help. I have to exit xemacs and restart, and then everything is OK. -- Brian May