From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/73287 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: $ collision Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:28:27 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87pqv779gi.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87ocarvxt8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87iq0zuh40.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87eibnufuq.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287484165 4732 80.91.229.12 (19 Oct 2010 10:29:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Russ Allbery Original-X-From: ding-owner+M21659@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Oct 19 12:29:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P89Rb-0002Hz-QP for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:29:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P89RO-0004tA-To; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:29:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P89RM-0004sn-IM for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:29:08 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P89RG-0000NP-V8 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:29:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1P89RG-0007sD-00 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:29:02 +0200 Original-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1508895fxm.17 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject :organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=57UJ88UAb9dFqwz2Lt2Of9RVdj3b0kuveazs7OfnUvM=; b=PWCUOHneQl/zGSybM4fVPz6SPSFv7RMgCsnTM8SXpTBYaPQiU33ipo7b6joq+VP1fT 195X6/SDyQXCxC8wAzSsYmscWMg5yL+08Jh5+zcwfvh9BKOhjnAMq5JtfaEY/WfuZI1q 4a5a7Ax7HE+3/3YNS7A1BpP7EACvUdVzfB+ow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=r8K0XzwtwC9RV+OyOIQmvbJPGkLzsc8wP+obOmi0ZiA/1fSmznfOQpASRiSJFekLWo 0L01gQ00jpPmjATAXEZbk60U/MyNTdql401nFWikX/G0fytkNK2pwjEKMeiiMuuJ6cIE fiWbSiNGl2hj+ROU+llzYQuxbmmucF6tc6Ecw= Original-Received: by 10.103.108.8 with SMTP id k8mr3850655mum.53.1287484111510; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm4782393fax.18.2010.10.19.03.28.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:28:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eibnufuq.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> (Russ Allbery's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:32:45 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:73287 Archived-At: Russ Allbery writes: > Richard Riley writes: > >> I guess this is where I am getting confused. Esc is the meta here or I >> have certainly always thought of it as that .. but that to one side for >> a moment : the rest of the emacs driving keys use M so do you redefine all >> those or just use Esc as the Meta? > > I use ESC as meta, but most meta sequences in Emacs don't have to be > repeated multiple times. The only other one I ever remember noticing this > with is M-v, and I don't use that anywhere near as much as marking > messages as spam. In order to have M-d be a single shifted keystroke, > there has to be a shift key on the keyboard that can successfully act as > the meta shift key (not the ESC prefix workaround), which is true in X but > not (for me at least) in an xterm through ssh to emacs -nw on the other > side. > > If one is marking multiple messages as spam, it's much more annoying to > have to alternate between two keys (and ESC is often in an awkward > location) than to just repeatedly use the same key, possibly shifted. > >> Don't misunderstand me, I'm not objecting per-se to anything I am just >> trying to understand why existing keys that people use for Mairix are >> remapped to add a facility key to something already mapped. > > I've never even heard if nnmairix before the last month and certainly > wasn't aware of it when I proposed the additional key binding, and I > suspect Lars wasn't aware either. > > I don't use it and therefore don't particularly care; I can continue to > locally map $ to the right thing since I don't use nnmairix. But it > seemed like it would make mark handling more consistent. That would explain why the change wouldn't concern you I guess. I did use nnmairix for a long time until I discovered (recently) the beauty of fts_squat in local dovecot server and now use nnir search.