* How to configure gnus 5.10.1 with group-split-fancy?
@ 2003-05-07 16:15 Robin Hu
2003-05-07 19:46 ` Michael R. Wolf
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Robin Hu @ 2003-05-07 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi gnus gurus:
I am currently using gnus 5.10.1 with the latest GNU Emacs checked
out from cvs. Since I am moving to gnus from becky, please correct me
if I am wrong.
I set group-parameters in .gnu file and set nnmail-split-method to
group-group-split, but it just not take place. nnmail-split-history
show nothing at all. Can anyone point me out what ever possiable may
cause such a problem? nnmail-split-fancy works fine.
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* Re: How to configure gnus 5.10.1 with group-split-fancy?
2003-05-07 16:15 How to configure gnus 5.10.1 with group-split-fancy? Robin Hu
@ 2003-05-07 19:46 ` Michael R. Wolf
2003-05-08 7:36 ` Robin Hu
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Michael R. Wolf @ 2003-05-07 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Robin Hu <huxw@knight.6test.edu.cn> writes:
> Hi gnus gurus:
>
> I am currently using gnus 5.10.1 with the latest GNU Emacs checked
> out from cvs. Since I am moving to gnus from becky, please correct me
> if I am wrong.
>
> I set group-parameters in .gnu file and set nnmail-split-method to
That's ~/.gnus
> group-group-split, but it just not take place. nnmail-split-history
> show nothing at all. Can anyone point me out what ever possiable may
> cause such a problem? nnmail-split-fancy works fine.
Here's a "sanatized" copy of mine. It's grown over the past year, but
you can probabaly pick what you need from it. But I should add the
caveat that I put most of my fancy-split information in via 'G c'
froom the Group buffer or "M-C-a" from the Summary buffer.
I'll show the value, then the file that created the starting point for
it. You can reverese-engineer some parts from it.
================================================================
nnmail-split-fancy's value is shown below.
Documentation:
Incoming mail can be split according to this fancy variable.
To enable this, set `nnmail-split-methods' to `nnmail-split-fancy'.
The format of this variable is SPLIT, where SPLIT can be one of
the following:
GROUP: Mail will be stored in GROUP (a string).
[...]
Value:
(|
(&
(any "\\(PTRCS-PROGRAMMING@PEARSONED\\.COM\\)" "newsletter.ptr-cs")
(any "\\(singalongs-and-whatnot@yahoogroups\\.com\\|singalongs-and-whatnot@yahoogroups\\.com\\)" "S&W")
(any "\\(volunteers@museumofflight\\.org\\|.*@museumofflight\\.org\\)" "MuseumOfFlight")
(any "\\(TBalenger@nish\\.org\\|tbalenger@yahoo\\.com\\|Johnbalenger@adelphia\\.net\\|nbalenger@adelphia\\.net\\|RogerCecil@cs\\.com\\|ASmith@brickcomputer\\.com\\|Balenger, Steve\\|SUZANNE GRAY\\)" "family")
(any "\\(ceciliazeimetz@yahoo\\.com\\|wordy@microship\\.com\\|jostar@optonline\\.net\\|JOPardillo@comcast\\.net\\|bill@carpenter\\.ORG\\|brzrkr@pobox\\.com\\|dave@nettenna\\.com\\|live\\.long\\.and\\.prosper@worldnet\\.att\\.net\\|forest4trees@comcast\\.net\\|hsheridan@lucent\\.com\\|jopardillo@home\\.com\\|HulseL@aol\\.com\\|jostar@aplion\\.com\\|jostar@optonline\\.com\\|samadhis@msn\\.com\\|tim@rcsb\\.rutgers\\.edu\\|timw@bestweb\\.net\\|wendellen@hotmail\\.com\\|Wendever11@msn\\.com\\|PollyCarson@hotmail\\.com\\|dan@concolor\\.org\\|nick@pedalmotive\\.com\\)" "friends")
(any "\\(Sherri Edwards\\)" "ResourceMaximizer")
(any "\\(linux-list@ssc\\.com\\|linux-list@ssc\\.com\\)" "linux-list")
(any "\\(BallardActivists@aol\\.com\\|BallardActivists@aol\\.com\\)" "BallardActivist")
(any "\\(WolfENT@oz\\.net\\)" "WolfENT")
(any "\\(arthurginsberg@msn\\.com\\|arthurginsberg@msn\\.com\\)" "Brightwork.Catrina")
(any "\\(t\\.wizon@webzon\\.com\\)" "ToastMasters")
(any "\\(.*@travelbyroad\\.\\(net\\|com\\)\\)" "TravelByRoad")
(any "\\(.*@spl\\.org\\)" "SeattlePublicLibrary")
(any "\\(sil@technologyreview\\.com\\)" "subscriptions.TechnologyReview")
(any "\\(.*@cbtnuggets\\.com\\)" "prospects.CBTnuggets")
(any "\\(yharris@ESD\\.WA\\.GOV\\)" "prospects.WorkSource")
(any "\\(cjca@cj\\.computerjobs\\.com\\)" "prospects.ComputerJobs")
(any "\\(devnet@eXtropia\\.com\\)" "prospects.eXtropia")
(any "\\(FedExsalary-admin@hire\\.com\\)" "prospects.FedEx")
(any "\\(.*@greythorninc\\.com\\)" "prospects.greythorn")
(any "\\(.*@.*hotjobs\\.com\\)" "prospects.hotjobs")
(any "\\(happel@Intellimark-IT\\.com\\)" "prospects:intellimark")
(any "\\(.*@juniper\\.net\\)" "prospects.juniper")
(any "\\(.*@mindcast.com\\)" "prospects.mindcast")
(any "\\(Net-Temps Careers\\)" "prospects.Net-Temps")
(any "\\(Curt Rosengren\\)" "prospects.PassionCatalyst")
(any "\\(@sotec-resources\\.com\\)" "prospects.sotec")
(any "\\(.*@teksystems.com\\)" "prospects.TEKsystems")
(any "\\(ggutting@techlinksystems\\.com\\|.*@techlinksystems\\.com\\)" "prospects.TechLink")
(any "\\(.*@teranode\\.com\\)" "prospects.teranode")
(any "\\(GFoxJr@videoRelay\\.com\\|.*@videorelay\\.com\\)" "prospects.videorelay")
(any "\\(doctor@dictionary\\.com\\)" "word_of_the_day")
(any "\\(Computerworld_Daily@Computerworld\\.com\\)" "ComputerWorld_Daily")
(any "\\(.*@ozconsultants\\.com\\)" "newsletter.ezone")
(any "\\(News@KenPage\\.net\\)" "newsletter.KenPage")
(any "\\(content@quickinspirations\\.com\\)" "newsletter.QuickInspiration")
(any "\\(ehotline@eaa\\.org\\|ehotline@eaa\\.org\\)" "eaa.eHotline")
("subject" ".*\\[Flotilla\\].*" "flotilla")
(any "\\(epilot@aopa\\.org\\|epilot@aopa\\.org\\|aopa_news@aopa\\.org\\)" "aopa.ePilot")
(any "\\(jwb@usac\\.com\\)" "merchant.adventure_club")
(any "\\(.*@adv-cycling.org\\)" "merchant.adventure_cycling")
(any "\\(dne-news@DNE\\.ORG\\|dne-news@DNE\\.ORG\\|fuller@MIT\\.EDU\\)" "DNE")
(any "\\(.*@.*moveon.org\\)" "moveon")
(any "\\(DeeRosenberg@aol\\.com\\|EdAbdill@cs\\.com\\|DOKeefe22@cs\\.com\\|susanrose@juno\\.com\\)" "lcl.CreativeDataMovers")
(any "\\(DPante@aol\\.com\\)" "PanTech")
(any "\\(.*@traininghott\\.com\\)" "HOTT")
(any "\\(.*@TycoTelecom\\.com\\)" "lcl.TycoTelecom")
(any "\\(perl-trainers@perl\\.org\\|perl-trainers@perl\\.org\\)" "perl.trainers")
(any "\\(Cruisetrek@aol\\.com\\|neil@geekcruises\\.com\\|fan2472@pacbell\\.net\\)" "perl.whirl")
(any "\\(perlreply@faq-by-day\\.org\\)" "perl.FAQ-by-day")
(any "\\(mailman-owner@mail\\.pm\\.org\\)" "perl.pm")
(any "\\(tallahassee-pm@mail\\.pm\\.org\\|tallahassee-pm@mail\\.pm\\.org\\)" "perl.pm.tallahassee")
(any "\\(members@lists\\.seattle-sage\\.org\\|members@lists\\.seattle-sage\\.org\\|Seattle Sage Group\\|seattle-sagelocal@usenix\\.org\\)" "SAGE")
(any "\\(spug-list@pm\\.org\\|spug-list@pm\\.org\\|spug-list@mail\\.pm\\.org\\)" "SPUG")
(any "\\(pdx-pm-list@mail\\.pm\\.org\\|pdx-pm-list@mail\\.pm\\.org\\|pdx-pm-list@pm\\.org\\)" "perl.pm.pdx")
(any "\\(perl-qotw-discuss@plover\\.com\\)" "perl.qotw-discuss")
(any "\\(perl-qotw-owner@plover\\.com\\|perl-qotw-owner@plover\\.com\\|perl-qotw@plover\\.com\\)" "perl.qotw")
(any "\\(fwp@perl\\.org\\|fwp@perl\\.org\\)" "perl.fwp")
(any "\\(advocacy@perl\\.org\\|advocacy@perl\\.org\\|advocacy-help@perl\\.org\\)" "perl.advocacy")
(any "\\(beginners@perl\\.org\\|beginners@perl\\.org\\|beginners-cgi@perl\\.org\\)" "perl.beginners")
(any "\\(gnus-tutorial@socha\\.net\\|gnus-tutorial@socha\\.net\\)" "gnus.tutorial")
(any "\\(help-emacs-windows@gnu\\.org\\|help-emacs-windows@gnu\\.org\\|help-emacs-windows-request@gnu\\.org\\|mailman-owner@gnu\\.org\\)" "emacs.windows.help")
(any "\\(marketplace-messages@amazon\\.com\\|payments-messages@amazon\\.com\\|software-news@amazon\\.com\\|gift@amazon\\.com\\|store-news@amazon\\.com\\|delivers@amazon\\.com\\|jeffb@amazon\\.com\\)" "merchant.amazon")
(any "\\(.*@billpoint\\.com\\)" "merchant.billpoint")
(any "\\(.*@.*classmates.com\\)" "merchant.classmates")
(any "\\(techsupport@comm1radio\\.com\\|techsupport@comm1radiosimulator\\.com\\)" "merchant.comm1radio")
(from ".*@connected.com"
(|
("subject" ".*10312-40186.*" "merchant.connected.Tampa(10312-40186)")
("subject" ".*10253-73681.*" "merchant.connected.Boulder(10253-73681)")
("subject" ".*10371-25571.*" "merchant.connected.Tecumseh(10371-25571)")
"merchant.connected"))
(any "\\(.*@dell\\.com\\)" "merchant.dell")
(any "\\(.*@DynCorp\\.com\\)" "merchant.DynCorp")
(any "\\(.*@.*ebay\\.com\\)" "merchant.ebay")
(any "\\(customer\\.relations@kinkos\\.com\\)" "merchant.kinkos")
(any "\\(.*@learningtree\\.com\\)" "merchant.learningtree")
(any "\\(.*@levenger\\.com\\)" "merchant.levenger")
(any "\\(.*@mcafee\\.com\\)" "merchant.McAfee")
(any "\\(.*@MerckMedco\\.com\\)" "merchant.MerckMedco")
(any "\\(.*@mks\\.com\\)" "merchant.mks")
(any "\\(updates@netlaughter\\.com\\)" "merchant.netlaughter")
(any "\\(.*@qwest\\.com\\)" "merchant.qwest")
(any "\\(cs@support\\.real\\.com\\|.*@.*real-net\\.net\\)" "merchant.real")
(any "\\(.*@speedbit\\.com\\)" "merchant.speedbit")
(any "\\(.*@symantec\\.com\\)" "merchant.symantec")
(any "\\(roger@teleclass\\.com\\)" "merchant.TeleClass")
(any "\\(.*@.*travelocity\\(\\..*\\)*\\.\\(com\\|net\\)\\)" "merchant.travelocity")
(any "\\(s-sowka@mskmail\\.mskcc\\.org\\|slawek@tantriclife\\.com\\)" "merchant.TantricLife")
(any "\\(customerservice@spg\\.starwood\\.com\\|Starwood@spg\\.starwood\\.com\\|Starwood_@spg\\.starwood\\.com\\)" "merchant.Starwood")
(any "\\(.*@watchguard\\.com\\)" "merchant.WatchGuard")
(any "\\(survey@surveys\\.att\\.net\\|CustomerNotifications@worldnet\\.att\\.net\\|autorestore@worldnet\\.att\\.net\\)" "merchant.worldnet")
(any "\\(.*@computerjobs\\.com\\)" "jobs.ComputerJobs")
(from ".*@oreillynet.com"
(|
(from "Perl.com Newsletter" "Perl_com.newsletter")
(from "Perl Newsletter" "Perl_com.newsletter")
(from "O'Reilly Network Newsletter" "O_Reilly.newsletter")
(from "O'Reilly Newsletter" "O_Reilly.newsletter")
"oreillynet"))
(any "\\(jobs@perl\\.org\\|jobs@perl\\.org\\|jobs-help@perl\\.org\\)" "perl.jobs")
(from "WendyRunningWolf@att.net"
(|
("subject" "print me" "wendy.print")
("subject" "please print" "wendy.print")
("subject" "pp" "wendy.print")
"wendy"))
(any "\\(selig@yahoogroups\\.com\\|selig@yahoogroups\\.com\\)" "selig")
(any "\\(MOSS@lists\\.freepan\\.org\\|MOSS@lists\\.freepan\\.org\\)" "MOSS"))
(|
("from" mail
(|
("subject" "warn.*" "mail.warning")
"mail.misc"))
("subject" ".*\\[Selig\\].*" "selig")
("to" "PTR-OO@PEARSONED.COM" "newsletter.ptr-oo")
(any "MBalenger@\\(worldnet\\.\\)?att\\.net" "misc.MBalenger")
(any "pop:MBalenger@postoffice\\.\\(worldnet\\.\\)?att\\.net" "misc.MBalenger")
(any "MichaelRunningWolf@att\\.net" "misc.MichaelRunningWolf")
(any "MichaelRWolf@att\\.net" "misc.MichaelRWolf")
("gnus-warning" "This is a duplicate of message" "duplicates")
"misc"))
================================================================
;;; ~/.gnus -*- mode:emacs-lisp -*-
;;; -*- emacs-lisp -*-
;;; Accumulated from:
;;; info *note Gnus::
;;; http://my.gnus.org/tuorial
;;; ================================================================
;;; 1 - Where does news come from?
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "inetnews.att.net"))
;;; ================================================================
;;; 2 - Where is mail stored? (i.e. backend)
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnml ""))
;;; And what about other servers exist?
;;(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp "nntp.perl.org"))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
'(nntp "perl.org" (nntp-address "nntp.perl.org")))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
'(nntp "oz.net" (nntp-address "news.oz.net")))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
'(nntp "gnus.org" (nntp-address "news.gnus.org")))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
'(nnslashdot ""))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
'(nntp "att.net" (nntp-address "localhost")))
;;; ================================================================
;;; 3 - How is mail fetched?
;;; info *note Mail Source Specifiers::
(setq mail-sources
'(
(file :path "c:/cygwin/var/spool/mail/toshiba"
:plugged t
)
;;; (pop :user "MBalenger"
;;; :password "XXXX"
;;; :server "postoffice.att.net")
;;; (pop :user "MichaelRunningWolf"
;;; :password "XXXX"
;;; :server "postoffice.att.net")
;;; (pop :user "wolfent"
;;; :password "XXXX"
;;; :server "mail.oz.net")
)
)
;;; ================================================================
;;; 4 - How is mail split?
;;(load-file (expand-file-name "~/.gnus-fancy-split"))
;;(load-file (expand-file-name "~/.gnus-group-split"))
;;; ================
;;; `nnmail-split-abbrev-alist' alias symbol expansions:
;;; (any . "from\\|to\\|cc\\|sender\\|apparently-to\\|resent-from\\|resent-to\\|resent-cc")
;;; (mail . "mailer-daemon\\|postmaster\\|uucp")
;;; (to . "to\\|cc\\|apparently-to\\|resent-to\\|resent-cc")
;;; (from . "from\\|sender\\|resent-from")
;;; (nato . "to\\|cc\\|resent-to\\|resent-cc")
;;; (naany . "from\\|to\\|cc\\|sender\\|resent-from\\|resent-to\\|resent-cc")
;;;sets nnmail-split-fancy
(gnus-group-split-setup t
(quote
(|
;; ================ from(alias) mail(alias) ================
("from" mail (| ("subject" "warn.*" "mail.warning")
"mail.misc"))
; (from "Perl\\.com Newsletter" "perl.newsletter")
;; ================ Subject: header ================
("subject" ".*\\[Selig\\].*" "selig")
; ("subject" "h-e-w" "emacs.windows.help")
; ("to" "^\\s-*$" "undisclosed-recipients")
;; Stupid mailers send real stuff that looks like SPAM.
("to" "PTR-OO@PEARSONED\.COM" "newsletter.ptr-oo")
;; Try to separate out the non-SPAM.
(any "MBalenger@\\(worldnet\\.\\)?att\\.net" "misc.MBalenger")
(any "pop:MBalenger@postoffice\\.\\(worldnet\\.\\)?att\\.net"
"misc.MBalenger")
(any "MichaelRunningWolf@att\\.net" "misc.MichaelRunningWolf")
(any "MichaelRWolf@att\\.net" "misc.MichaelRWolf")
;; Deal with duplicates.
("gnus-warning" "This is a duplicate of message" "duplicates")
;; ================ default ================
;; And SPAM catcher.
"misc" )))
;;;sets nnmail-split-fancy
;;; ================================================================
;;; 5 - How is mail sent?
;;; <<See ~/.emacs>>
;;; ================================================================
;;; 6 - Miscellany!
(require 'message)
(require 'message-x)
;;(setq gnus-verbose 10) ; [7]
;;(setq gnus-verbose-backends 10) ; [7]
;(defun fill-column-60 ()
; "Set fill-column to 60."
; (setq fill-column 60))
;(add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'fill-column-60)
(add-hook 'message-sent-hook 'gnus-score-followup-thread)
(add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'bbdb-define-all-aliases)
(setq gnus-message-archive-group
'((if (message-news-p)
(format-time-string "news.%Y-%m")
(format-time-string "mail.%Y-%m"))))
;; Works only in oort development versions.
;;(define-key message-minibuffer-local-map [(tab)] 'bbdb-complete-name)
;;;Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
;;;> I use the following. It is not perfect.
;;;> Then you can use %k instead of %L in gnus-summary-line-format.
(require 'gnus-sum)
(defsubst kai-gnus-summary-line-message-size (header)
(let ((c (or (mail-header-chars header) -1))
(l (or (mail-header-lines header) -1)) )
(cond ((< l 1) (format " ")) ; no lines -> empty
;; line count tests
((< l 1000) (format "%d " l)) ; display lines
;; character count tests
((< c 1) (format " ")) ; no charcters -> empty
((< c 1000) (format "%db" c)) ; display bytes
((< c (* 1000 1000)) (format "%dK" ; display Kilobytes
(/ c 1024.0)))
;; default
(t (format "%dM" ; display Megabytes
(/ c (* 1024.0 1024))))
)))
(add-to-list 'gnus-summary-line-format-alist
'(?k (kai-gnus-summary-line-message-size gnus-tmp-header) ?s))
(setq gnus-extra-headers '(To Newsgroups X-Gnus-Mail-Source))
(setq gnus-ignored-from-addresses
(concat "nobody"
"\\|"
"\\(" (regexp-quote user-full-name) "\\)"
"\\|"
"\\(" (regexp-quote user-mail-address) "\\)")
)
(setq nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
(setq gnus-summary-line-format ; "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20n%]%) %s"
(concat "%U%R%z"
"%~(cut-left 0)~(max-right 4)o-" ; YY
"%~(cut-left 4)~(max-right 2)o-" ; MM
"%~(cut-left 6)~(max-right 2)o " ; DD
"%~(cut-left 9)~(max-right 2)o:%~(cut-left 11)~(max-right 2)o" ; HH:MM
"%I "
"%(%[%4k: %-15,15f%]%) "
"%s\n"))
;(gnus-add-configuration
; '(article (vertical 1.0 (summary 0.16 point)
; (article 1.0)
; (if (bbdb/gnus-update-record nil) '("*BBDB*" 3))
;)))
;;; ================ posting styles ================
(setq gnus-positng-styles
'((".*"
(signature-file "~/.signature")
)
("nnml:misc.MBalenger"
(signature-file nil)
(name "Michael S. Balenger")
(address "MBalenger@att.net")
)
("nnml:misc.MRWolf"
(signature-file nil)
(name "Michael R. Wolf")
(address "MRWolf@att.net")
)
("nnml:WolfENT"
(signature-file nil)
(organization "Wolf Enterprises")
(address "WolfENT@oz.net")
)
))
(add-hook 'gnus-configure-windows-hook
'gnus-tree-perhaps-minimize)
;;; ================ message-mode ================
(setq message-kill-buffer-on-exit t)
;;; ================ agent ================
(gnus-agentize) ; must be last form in file
;;; ================================================================
;;; 7 - TODO.
;;; ================
;;; From: Bjorn Wiren <etxbwir@cbe.ericsson.se>
;;; Date: 20 Dec 2001 08:06:08 +0100
;;; With this in your `.gnus'
;;;
;;; (setq gnus-summary-line-format
;;; "%U%R %~(cut-left 2)~(max-right 6)o %~(cut-left 9)~(max-right
;;; 2)o:%~(cut-left 11)~(max-right 2)o %I%(%[%-15,15f%]%) %s\n")
;;;
;;; you get
;;;
;;; R 011219 18:54 [nospame@nothere] How do change the display of articles
;;;
;;; that is, date à la yymmdd. Get the details from the info node "Summary
;;; Buffer Lines" (C-h i, then go to "Gnus", "Summary Buffer Format", "Summary
;;; Buffer Lines").
\f
;;; ================================================================
;;; Local Variables:
;;; mode: emacs-lisp
;;; eval: (local-set-key [f12] 'eval-buffer)
;;; End:
--
Michael R. Wolf
All mammals learn by playing!
MichaelRunningWolf@att.net
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* Re: How to configure gnus 5.10.1 with group-split-fancy?
2003-05-07 19:46 ` Michael R. Wolf
@ 2003-05-08 7:36 ` Robin Hu
2003-05-08 21:47 ` Michael R. Wolf
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Robin Hu @ 2003-05-08 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Thanks Michael, it seems group-split-fancy cannot work with
group-parameters, so I stick to nnmail-split-fancy now.
--
The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature
is to build better mice.
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* Re: How to configure gnus 5.10.1 with group-split-fancy?
2003-05-08 7:36 ` Robin Hu
@ 2003-05-08 21:47 ` Michael R. Wolf
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Michael R. Wolf @ 2003-05-08 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
Robin Hu <huxw@knight.6test.edu.cn> writes:
> Thanks Michael, it seems group-split-fancy cannot work with
> group-parameters, so I stick to nnmail-split-fancy now.
You're right. I had forgotten. I like the later because I'm already in
Gnus when I want to change parameters, so I do it from the Group menu.
For me, opening ~/.gnus and writing elisp wasn't the way to go. But it
did work for me for a while. That's why it was still laying around.
And it turns out that there are still some things I can do in the
~/.gnus file that I can't do from group-parameters.
Thanks for pointing this out for folks who may be lurking this
discussion, trying to make their own choice.
--
Michael R. Wolf
All mammals learn by playing!
MichaelRunningWolf@att.net
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