From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/60412 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Abrahams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus with Exim Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:08:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83k6lagmx8.fsf@torus.sehlabs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118099608 9206 80.91.229.2 (6 Jun 2005 23:13:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 23:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M8939@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Jun 07 01:13:23 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DfQmB-0008Nj-23 for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:12:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1DfQoR-0003e0-00; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:15:19 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1DfQhR-0003dg-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:08:05 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DfQhQ-0005Lx-4D for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:08:04 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.63]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DfQhP-0003Ul-00 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:08:03 +0200 Original-Received: from 146-115-127-135.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO I9300.boost-consulting.com) (146.115.127.135) by smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2005 19:08:02 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,175,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="43860721:sNHT22064428" Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Steven E. Harris's message of "Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:44:00 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (windows-nt) X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60412 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60412 "Steven E. Harris" writes: > David Abrahams writes: > >> I don't care *too* much how long long it takes as long as it's going >> on in the background. > > I thought you might care because you seemed picky about running exim > as a daemon, suggesting that you're suspicious of any spurious wasting > of resources. Well, I am a little. When I said I don't care how long it takes I meant I don't care how long I have to wait, not that I don't care how many CPU cycles get burned. > I just wanted to make sure you understood the difference > between the smarthost and dnslookup routers. I guess I'm confused. >> Cool, telnet works from here. I'll try sending you this message on >> that port. > > [...] > >> Heh, that was my Bcc: to myself. I guess it won't let me send to >> anyone outside Panix unless I can login there? > > I think it was just being lazy in reporting that authentication is > required for any transaction. As far as I know, you need to login with > a valid Panix account in order to be able to send a message to anyone. Oh, well. >> Yeah, but if it's responsive enough, I don't care much. > > Wait, now I'm confused. Are you suggesting that sending messages out > from your MUA Sorry, I should be clear that I'm an ignoramus. What's an MUA? Mail User Agent? A email client program? > directly to some server of your choice /is/ responsive > enough? Yes, it's only smtp.rcn.com, AFAIK, that's unresponsive. Except that port 25 is blocked to anywhere but smtp.rcn.com > I thought we started out with you saying that this direct > sending often caused your MUA to hang, If by "direct sending" you mean sending directly to the recipients smtp server, I'm not allowed by my ISP to do that unless the recipient happens to have an rcn.com email address. In other words, I can only send to smtp.rcn.com on port 25. > and that's where the idea came up of sticking an asynchronous > sending, possibly queuing MTA in between. > >> What am I missing? > > If you take exim out of the picture, your MUA must talk directly to > the remote SMTP server, which may cause annoying delays. I've only. >> Hum, you mean I'd need a Panix username and password? > > Yes. > >> I'm not always stuck there. When I roam, won't I want that in >> effect? > > That depends on whether the connections you roam to allow SMTP > traffic. Most cafes I've been to block port 25, Not mine. In Massachusetts most Cafes don't even make you pay for connectivity. Some barista just brings in a linksys box, hooks it to the cable, and everyone connects. > assuming for some reason that the whole world is satisfied with Web > mail. If the normal SMTP port is blocked, the dnslookup router will > always try and fail, and only then get around to your fallback > alternates. Sounds like a reasonable approach to me, unless it soaks a lot of cycles to try DNSLookup. The queue should be empty most of the time, so it's probably okay. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com