From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/54609 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David S Goldberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: How do I mark messages for deletion? Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:26:24 -0500 Organization: I Yam What I Yam Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <76fzh9zdft.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> <768yn1zabn.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> <764qxpz6kv.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067621217 29065 80.91.224.253 (31 Oct 2003 17:26:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M3150@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Oct 31 18:26:49 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AFd2v-0003Hu-00 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:26:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AFd2l-0007un-00; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:39 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AFd2g-0007uf-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:34 -0600 Original-Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [192.160.51.75]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7193A004C for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:26:33 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9VHQXbY021660 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:26:33 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9VHQVv4012398 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:26:31 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from blackbird.mitre.org (129.83.3.43) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 4807678; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:26:27 -0500 Original-To: The Gnus Mailing List X-Face: GUaHTH@nS>[7,ME@-gYZ4#Wl{z"99k@[[Y8AcP0x1paqu.,z9,XSV1WI>{q3f6^e5(zrit <4fV&VHhmE`uidRqtmG27;si9&r;#KSF~E#$%W8w(xdp)H4tW=\2XOk~3=@oGqqpj;m4xf Ow;y26396&,34@9#~4;@*S;E0cq"LM9N(us4P%F(Nxis'Vvfm9?KufH;:Q$dMa-QWGLR&K d0`LJZE8xb*>^yN>b]_NcU:E=Zn\1=#/(OS2 In-Reply-To: <764qxpz6kv.fsf@newjersey.ppllc.com> (Jake Colman's message of "Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:59:28 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, cygwin32) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54609 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:54609 >>>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:59:28 -0500, Jake Colman >>>>> said: >>>>> "NK" == Norbert Koch writes: NK> Jake Colman writes: >>> Will gnus delete mail without an 'E' expiry mark? Or is t only the expiry >>> process that does it? NK> If you activate total-expire for a group, every read (and unticked) NK> message is put through the expiry mechanism. Dormant articles are also ignored by expiry when you use total expire. >>> While on the topic, I have never been clear on the difference between >>> auto-expire and total-expire. Can you maybe explain? NK> Hmm, I haven't looked at the code, so I can't provide more information NK> as the manual "(gnus)Expiring Mail": NK> ,---- NK> | In a nutshell, "auto-expire" means that Gnus hits `E' for NK> | you when you select an article. And "total-expire" means that Gnus NK> | considers all articles as expirable that are read. So, in addition to NK> | the articles marked `E', also the articles marked `r', `R', `O', `K', NK> | `Y' and so on are considered expirable. NK> `---- > Hmmmm. So you use total-expire and only tick those you really want > to keep. Or mark them dormant if you don't want to see them every time you enter the group. I realize that's sort of an abuse of the dormant mark, which is really to flag a thread of interest but only show it when there's new messages in the thread, but what the heck, it works. > I guess that makes sense. And you can always manully > press 'E' to (eventually) expire messages that are not in a > totall-expire (or auto-expire) group. One caveat. total-expire is dangerous. If you're not careful about what you tick you could easily lose mail you consider important. Also, there have been bugs in the past in which marks were lost. I haven't been bit by any in a long time, but there may be some still around or new ones introduced. I believe it is still the default to add the expiry process in gnus-summary-exit-hook. I recommend removing that and periodically running expiry by hand in the group buffer with gnus-group-expire-all-groups. It also helps to have a group line format that lists the number of ticked/dormant articles so you can see if you've lost them. That combo has saved me from going to tape on numerous occasions. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net