From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/50822 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David S Goldberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: total and auto expiry Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:54:13 -0500 Organization: I Yam What I Yam Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87k7f3pbgf.fsf@forexware.com> <84isunrxf7.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <7ysmtrf74n.fsf@myxomop.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047581712 7268 80.91.224.249 (13 Mar 2003 18:55:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Thu Mar 13 19:55:10 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tXrB-0001si-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:55:09 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18tXqz-0006qh-00; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:54:57 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:55:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27431 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:55:45 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 9836 invoked by alias); 13 Mar 2003 18:54:27 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 9831 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 18:54:27 -0000 Original-Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org (192.80.55.70) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 18:54:27 -0000 Original-Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DIsOOC004881 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:54:24 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv2.mitre.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2DIsMk2016679 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:54:22 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from blackbird-2k.mitre.org (129.83.3.45) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 1488393; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:54:14 -0500 Original-To: The Gnus Mailing List X-Face: GUaHTH@nS>[7,ME@-gYZ4#Wl{z"99k@[[Y8AcP0x1paqu.,z9,XSV1WI>{q3f6^e5(zrit <4fV&VHhmE`uidRqtmG27;si9&r;#KSF~E#$%W8w(xdp)H4tW=\2XOk~3=@oGqqpj;m4xf Ow;y26396&,34@9#~4;@*S;E0cq"LM9N(us4P%F(Nxis'Vvfm9?KufH;:Q$dMa-QWGLR&K d0`LJZE8xb*>^yN>b]_NcU:E=Zn\1=#/(OS2 In-Reply-To: <7ysmtrf74n.fsf@myxomop.com> (Alexander Kotelnikov's message of "Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:34:16 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, cygwin32) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50822 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:50822 >>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:34:16 -0500, Alexander Kotelnikov >>>>> said: > This also means that "total" described as dangerous is not too much > more dangerous than "auto", isn't it? Well I don't think that we should say that auto-expire is for wimps, but at least with auto-expire it's very explicitly clear to the user that an article is marked expireable and that the user must take some action if s/he doesn't want it to be. Moreover if using total-expire and a tick or dormant mark (which are not total-expired) is inadvertently removed and expiry takes place, the article will be lost. That is not an issue for auto-expire. I therefore think total-expire is more dangerous than auto-expire. > So it can be advised to use total with adaptive scoring and auto > otherwise. At first approximation they are the same. In spite of being bitten by the problems described I use and prefer total-expire in most of my groups. I really like adaptive scoring. And I've got very good backups. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net