From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/15616 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: amu@MIT.EDU (Aaron M. Ucko) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus v5.6.24 is released Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:02:51 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <199807112117.OAA10778@dzur.kerch.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035154616 23064 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:56:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (gwyn.tux.org [207.96.122.8]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04953 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:08:42 -0700 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02344 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAT26673; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:39:12 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:03:10 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18324 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:03:02 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26012 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from X15-CRUISE-BASSELOPE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17035; Tue, 14 Jul 98 20:03:15 EDT Original-Received: by x15-cruise-basselope.mit.edu (SMI-8.6/4.7) id UAA26984; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:02:52 -0400 Original-To: Stainless Steel Rat Original-Distribution: mit In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "14 Jul 1998 15:17:42 -0400" Original-Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.24/Emacs 20.2 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15616 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15616 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > Aaron M Ucko writes: > > > Um, pretty much all the Sun keyboards I've seen have been Type 4 or 5 > > keyboards hence had both meta (diamond) and alt keys. > > Take a good look at a Sun 3 type keyboard sometime. Easier said than done these days. > > OTOH, IBM and SGI keyboards all seem to use the PC101 layout, > > None of the dozen or so SGIs or RS/6000s I maintain have "Windows" keys. Hence PC101 rather than PC104. > CDE is not a window manager. Motif (mwm) is a window manager that uses > ALT. So do many FVWM configurations. So do many of the variety of other > "twm" window managers. Enlightenment does it; so does AfterStep. Yes, but the original question was whether M-tab is safe, which is a function of WM configuration. CDE-like configurations typically bind M-tab; many others don't. At any rate, no WM I've seen messes with keycode -> keysym translations, which are the X server's responsibility; I think you're just confused because many WMs pretend Mod1 is always Meta, even though it's sometimes Alt when they are distinct. -- Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (finger amu@monk.mit.edu)