* miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions @ 1996-06-12 4:11 Joe Wells 1996-06-12 6:03 ` Jason L Tibbitts III ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Joe Wells @ 1996-06-12 4:11 UTC (permalink / raw) GNU Emacs 19.31.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.4, X toolkit) of Wed Jun 5 1996 on csb Gnus v5.1; nntp 4.0; nnml 1.0; nnmh 1.0; nndir 1.0; nndoc 1.0 This is a list of random assorted problems with Gnus and questions about Gnus. I am using the version of Gnus that comes with the latest Emacs, so these may be known and/or fixed already. 1. In the summary buffer, "X v u" seems to be refetching the article even if it is already in the article buffer. Why? 2. Using "o" on a pseudo-article in an attempt to save it doesn't seem to work. I could use "X U" on the original article, but this downloads the article from the news server and runs uudecode on it again, wasting a lot of time. I can also switch to the temporary directory and copy the file using the shell, but this is also time-consuming. 3. It would be nice if there were an option to create the pseudo-article in the summary *AND* to immediately view it. 4. What does the name "eething" mean? Why "ee"? 5. In summary, "I ?" splits the windows really funny. Pressing C-g to abort does not clean up window split. Only proceeding all the way through cleans up the windows. 6. The help text for "I a ?" lists match types that are not legal in combination with "a". It also has a duplicate description for match type "r". 7. For an "eval" keyword in a score file, how often is the form evaluated? Once per entering into the group? Before or after the group select hook? This needs some documentation. 8. The "P" command at beginning of buffer does not work in a group read via the "nndir" back end which uses a directory reached via ange-ftp. This is because it calls gnus-read-header which eventually ends up calling insert-file-contents-literally which disables ange-ftp. I encountered this problem reading: nndir+/ftp@ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/emacs/ding-list-recent/:ding.recent 9. nnmail-request-post-buffer ignores its follow-to argument if its post argument is non-nil. This happens when using the "a" command in a mail group. This prevents the user's setting of gnus-followup-to-function from having any effect for mail groups. The same problem also seems to occur with nndir groups. (Yes, I know that I can get the desired result by setting a group parameter. This is what I have done.) 10. In the summary buffer, if you use "x" then "T T", the removed article lines come back. 12. nnmail-split-it adds "\\<" and "\\>" around the patterns the user supplies in nnmail-split-fancy. This breaks any patterns which don't begin and end at word boundaries. This is undocumented. It would be nice if this was optional. 13. "*" has word syntax in the article buffer. This interacts with the use of nnmail-split-fancy. This needs to be documented, because it can cause very confusing results. 14. It would be nice if threading did not use garbage subjects like "(none)", "hi", or "hello". Is there a garbage-subject regexp which I can set to tell the threading to ignore those subjects? 15. A bug in nnmail-split it: "\\>\\)" should be "\\)\\>". 16. Editing a SCORE file directly doesn't get noticed. What does one have to do to get the changes noticed by Gnus? 17. gnus-followup-to-function can be called with a argument of nil when the "a" command is used in the group buffer. This should be documented. Even better, use the group whose line point is on. 18. I have noticed when reading the group nndir+/ftp@ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/emacs/ding-list-recent/:ding.recent that some of the read marks often get lost when I revisit the group. I can't figure out why this is happening. -- Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 4:11 miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions Joe Wells @ 1996-06-12 6:03 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 1996-06-12 21:25 ` Ken Olstad 1996-06-14 2:10 ` Joe Wells 1996-06-12 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-06-14 15:30 ` Kai Grossjohann 2 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1996-06-12 6:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> "JW" == Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> writes: JW> This is a list of random assorted problems with Gnus and questions JW> about Gnus. I'll give it a whirl. JW> I am using the version of Gnus that comes with the latest Emacs, so JW> these may be known and/or fixed already. You should look at 5.2.x. It's nice. It's not just a little bug-fix release, either. There's major new stuff. JW> 1. In the summary buffer, "X v u" seems to be refetching the article JW> even if it is already in the article buffer. Why? I believe it's to get a pristine copy of the article, before any destructive decoding has been done. 5.2.x saves the original article in a separate buffer, and can also store copies of the last n articles. In any case, it no longer refetches the article. JW> 2. Using "o" on a pseudo-article in an attempt to save it doesn't seem JW> to work. This seems to work in 5.2.x. JW> 3. It would be nice if there were an option to create the JW> pseudo-article in the summary *AND* to immediately view it. Hmmm. You might be able to do something with gnus-uu-grabbed-file-functions. You could probably also write it in a few lines of code. I can see why this isn't in there: there are way too many key bindings as it is. But hey, Red gnus will start up soon. Bug Lars and get it on the ToDo list. JW> 4. What does the name "eething" mean? Why "ee"? We couldn't think of a better name. Really. Lars probably has some rationalization made up just for this occasion, though. JW> 5. In summary, "I ?" splits the windows really funny. Pressing C-g to JW> abort does not clean up window split. Only proceeding all the way JW> through cleans up the windows. Still does. This could be considered a bug. A non-recognized key will escape and clean the display, though. JW> 6. The help text for "I a ?" lists match types that are not legal in JW> combination with "a". It also has a duplicate description for match JW> type "r". Still does. Most likely a left-out feature (have to write bunches of help texts to fix it). JW> 7. For an "eval" keyword in a score file, how often is the form JW> evaluated? Once per entering into the group? Before or after the JW> group select hook? This needs some documentation. I agree that it's poorly documented. The documentation for gnus-score-alist says: eval: Sexp to be evaluated when the score file is loaded. >From the code, gnus-possible-score-headers, which eventually loads the score file, is called soon after gnus-select-group-hook is run. JW> 8. The "P" command at beginning of buffer does not work in a group JW> read via the "nndir" back end which uses a directory reached via JW> ange-ftp. This seems to work fine in 5.2.x. (Just tried it. Getting to ding-list-recent is quick from my machine!) JW> 9. nnmail-request-post-buffer ignores its follow-to argument if its JW> post argument is non-nil. This happens when using the "a" command in a JW> mail group. This prevents the user's setting of JW> gnus-followup-to-function from having any effect for mail groups. nnmail-request-post-buffer doesn't exist anymore; the entire mail-post dichotomy has gone away. JW> 10. In the summary buffer, if you use "x" then "T T", the removed JW> article lines come back. Seems to work in 5.2.x. [Can't comment on splitting since I use Procmail.] JW> 14. It would be nice if threading did not use garbage subjects like JW> "(none)", "hi", or "hello". Is there a garbage-subject regexp which I JW> can set to tell the threading to ignore those subjects? `gnus-summary-gather-exclude-subject' Since loose thread gathering is done on subjects only, that might lead to many false hits, especially with certain common subjects like `' and `(none)'. To make the situation slightly better, you can use the regexp `gnus-summary-gather-exclude-subject' to say what subjects should be excluded from the gathering process. The default is `^ *$\\|^(none)$'. Also, `gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function' can be use to do gathering by the references header instead of by the subject. JW> 16. Editing a SCORE file directly doesn't get noticed. What does one JW> have to do to get the changes noticed by Gnus? `V R' Run the current summary through the scoring process (`gnus-summary-rescore'). This might be useful if you're playing around with your score files behind Gnus' back and want to see the effect you're having. JW> 17. gnus-followup-to-function can be called with a argument of nil when JW> the "a" command is used in the group buffer. This should be JW> documented. Even better, use the group whose line point is on. Hmmm. gnus-followup-to-function doesn't exist anymore. Ah, it's message-followup-to-function, which seems to get called with no arguments. I'm not quire sure how this works. JW> 18. I have noticed when reading the group JW> nndir+/ftp@ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/emacs/ding-list-recent/:ding.recent That's me. JW> that some of the read marks often get lost when I revisit the JW> group. I can't figure out why this is happening. Odd. Nobody else has reported it anywhere I've seen. I don't renumber the articles, just delete the old ones, so I can't say. Anyone else seen this one? If upgrading doesn't cure it, let me know. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 6:03 ` Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1996-06-12 21:25 ` Ken Olstad 1996-06-14 2:10 ` Joe Wells 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Ken Olstad @ 1996-06-12 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Joe Wells, ding JW == Joe Wells Jason == Jason L Tibbitts III JW> 4. What does the name "eething" mean? Why "ee"? Jason> We couldn't think of a better name. Really. Lars probably has Jason> some rationalization made up just for this occasion, though. It must be pronounced "anything", eh? -- Ken Olstad <ken@mn.cheyenne.com> Burnsville, MN, USA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 6:03 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 1996-06-12 21:25 ` Ken Olstad @ 1996-06-14 2:10 ` Joe Wells 1996-06-14 4:56 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Joe Wells @ 1996-06-14 2:10 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <ufa4tohpnic.fsf@sina.hpc.uh.edu> Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes: JW> 6. The help text for "I a ?" lists match types that are not legal in JW> combination with "a". It also has a duplicate description for match JW> type "r". Still does. Most likely a left-out feature (have to write bunches of help texts to fix it). Just write one piece of help text for each letter and then insert the help texts in the help buffer only for the letters that apply. JW> 18. I have noticed when reading the group JW> nndir+/ftp@ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/emacs/ding-list-recent/:ding.recent That's me. JW> that some of the read marks often get lost when I revisit the JW> group. I can't figure out why this is happening. Odd. Nobody else has reported it anywhere I've seen. I don't renumber the articles, just delete the old ones, so I can't say. Anyone else seen this one? If upgrading doesn't cure it, let me know. I seem to notice this happening when I switch from home to my office. I never exit from Emacs; I leave it running for months. At home, I use an Emacs running under iScreen. At my office, I use an Emacs connected to my X display. When I leave my office (or home), I quit Gnus ("q" in *Group* buffer). Then I restart Gnus (M-x gnus) when I get home (or to my office). -- Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-14 2:10 ` Joe Wells @ 1996-06-14 4:56 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1996-06-14 4:56 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "JW" == Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> writes: [Archive group] JW> that some of the read marks often get lost when I revisit the group. I JW> can't figure out why this is happening. JW> I seem to notice this happening when I switch from home to my office. JW> I never exit from Emacs; I leave it running for months. I do the same, so I doubt that's it. (I'd love fancy buttons, colors, x-faces and smiley icons, but I prefer speed.) I do recall that this was a bug in earlier versions of sgnus (though I could be wrong); perhaps it was also in 5.[0.x|1]. Oops, there's Lars with yet another version. We will not stop until we can run emacs in gnus! Hmmmm... -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 4:11 miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions Joe Wells 1996-06-12 6:03 ` Jason L Tibbitts III @ 1996-06-12 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-06-12 7:51 ` Joe Wells 1996-06-14 15:30 ` Kai Grossjohann 2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-12 7:42 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "JW" == Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> writes: JW> 4. What does the name "eething" mean? Why "ee"? When I try to pronounce `nneething' is sounds just like `anything'. JW> 12. nnmail-split-it adds "\\<" and "\\>" around the patterns the user JW> supplies in nnmail-split-fancy. This breaks any patterns which don't JW> begin and end at word boundaries. This is undocumented. No, it is documented in the section about fancy mail splitting: Gnus> In these splits, FIELD must match a complete field name. VALUE must Gnus> match a complete word according to the fundamental mode syntax table. Gnus> You can use `.*' in the regexps to match partial field names or words. JW> It would be nice if this was optional. I think `.*' is easy enough to add the few places it is needed. JW> 13. "*" has word syntax in the article buffer. It has symbol syntax in Gnus 5.2. JW> 15. A bug in nnmail-split it: "\\>\\)" should be "\\)\\>". I don't see how that can make a difference. JW> 16. Editing a SCORE file directly doesn't get noticed. What does one have JW> to do to get the changes noticed by Gnus? gnus-score-flush-cache ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-12 7:51 ` Joe Wells 1996-06-12 8:17 ` Per Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Joe Wells @ 1996-06-12 7:51 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <rjhgsho4cl.fsf@kleene.dina.kvl.dk> Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: JW> 15. A bug in nnmail-split it: "\\>\\)" should be "\\)\\>". I don't see how that can make a difference. Suppose the user-supplied pattern is "foo\\|bar". Inside nnmail-split-it, this becomes "...\\<\\(foo\\|bar\\>\\)". The "\\>" now only applies to the "bar" alternative. -- Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 7:51 ` Joe Wells @ 1996-06-12 8:17 ` Per Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-12 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "JW" == Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> writes: JW> 15. A bug in nnmail-split it: "\\>\\)" should be "\\)\\>". >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: PA> I don't see how that can make a difference. JW> Suppose the user-supplied pattern is "foo\\|bar". Inside nnmail-split-it, JW> this becomes "...\\<\\(foo\\|bar\\>\\)". The "\\>" now only applies to the JW> "bar" alternative. You are right, it is a bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions 1996-06-12 4:11 miscellaneous Gnus problems/questions Joe Wells 1996-06-12 6:03 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 1996-06-12 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-06-14 15:30 ` Kai Grossjohann 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1996-06-14 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 00:11:20 -0400, jbw@cs.bu.edu (Joe Wells) >>>>> said: Joe> 4. What does the name "eething" mean? Why "ee"? All names begin with `nn', so `nething' was out of the question, and would have been pronounced differently. `nneetthhiinngg' would is TOO strange, don't you think? Anyhow, I can't think of a better way to spell `anything' if the prefix `nn' is a given, can you? kai "bowing to Lars, the Creative" -- Life is hard and then you die. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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